[Mickiel]

Reguardless of what believers in God are saying and teaching, its what Jesus has said and taught that bears real meaning. And believers have a problem with this, because they want what THEY have to say, to be as meaningful as Christ, or what their pastor has to say.

Jesus says, about believers, in John 15:5, " Apart from me, you can do Nothing!" Believers don't believe this, they would rather believe that their own so called " Free Will" is more important than Christ. They think their will is the deciding factor in their salvation. The sheer gall of that! We can DO NOTHING without Jesus, that nothing includes our personal belief in him, our wisdom, knowledge, understanding, our VERY WILL! Christ controls ALL these things.

Notice 2 Corinth. 5:14;" For the Love of Christ CONTROLS Us!" While we were yet sinning, Jesus died for us, because he Loves us. And that Love IS the motivation behind his control over all of humanity. Sin willNOT stop Christ control over humanity. The so called human free will willNOT take away Christ total control over humanity and their salvation.

Your going to have to look at Jesus as he really is, not how these believers are saying that he is. He is complette, and he will achieve complette results. Hes going to get you your salvation.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.