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"The US is not like the Roman empire." I would most strongly disagree. What is the difference between putting Herod into power and putting Saddam into power?
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The US did not put Saddam in power, the US used its influnce to set about consitions to allow Saddam to get into power himself, we did not conquer Iraq to put him in power, like Rome did to jerusalem to put Herod in power. You can call us guilty of poor judgement, you can call us hypscritical but that does not make us 'Emperial'
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The US supports China which is communist but decries Cuba which was ruled by a corrupt dictator Batista, supported by the US, who was defeated by Castro. That is pure hypocrisy.
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Fair enough the US policy towards these to nations is hypocritical. That does not make us like the roman empire.
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I could list dozens of others but have already done so elsewhere. Who put the Taliban in Power? Who supported a dictator named Sharrif in Pakistan? Why the intense interest in the past in getting rid of Daniel Ellsberg? Was someone actually afraid of the truth.
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Its a lto more complicated than all of that... again, its no where near the being emperial...
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The American supreme court has declared Guantanamo prison illegal but it still exists.
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Give the process some time to work... the final outcome on the supreme courts decision on GTMO takes time to develop...
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The American empire refuses to join the world court. I wonder why? Once again are they afraid of the truth coming out?
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The world court is a farce and it asks that we destroy our soverningty to join them, no, I'll stay out of a farce court, thank you anyway and you can keep your UN too.
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Roman imperial theology was peace through victory. American imperial theology is exactly the same "peace through victory.
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America has no 'emperial theology'... we have an ideology that freedom seeks its own governance, if that spreads then so be it.
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Jesus program was peace through justice and not peace through victory.
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Nope, Jesus nerver promised peace among nations, in fact he said the result of his coming would divide groups, even families. Peace only came through enternal contentment with the right relationship with God.
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In ancient Rome the rich lorded it over the poor and stacked the cards in their (the rich's) favor. In American the rich lord it over the poor and make sure the laws favor the rich.
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I dont agree here either, although to some extent your right, but here in the US the opportunity to become one of the wealthy isnt taken away from the poor, in fact its welcomed for one so poor to work hard to become wealthy.
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Many Americans including American scholars refer to America as an evil empire. This was done as early as the 1830" by a great American poet whose name escapes me at the moment as well as the 1930 by another great American poet.
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Well a hundred thousand more amercians would disagree with you and the poet whos name I dont even want to recall.
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"Today the income of the richest 225 people in the world is equal to the income of 3 billion poor people" Matthew Fox. Many of these live in the US. Christ came to assist the poor and the disenfranchised that existed in his day. How many Americans are poor, disenfranchised, without any health care, live in poverty or are homeless.? Matthew Fox says quite openly that rural America is "third world".
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I grew up in rural america, right smack in the middle of it, to this day I'd prefer that lifestyle to any other, third world? no way, not with the opporutunities available to work out of any third world situation... and you have a warpedsense of Jesus, he never came ot make sure we all have healthcare, or feel liek we belong to a country, or a nation... he came to have a relationship with believers. Matthew fox is wrong, and stupid. and comepltley out of touch and besides all that none of thses things have anything to do with the US being like the roman empire...
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I heard the news tonight and literally roared with laughter that now that North Korea has handed in a paper it is no longer evil. Unfortunately this is no joke.
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Oh brother... then you listend to some news channel that slanted the story becuse its much more rich than that... North Korea pledge complaince to a 6 nation strategy to keep peace and not arm nuclear weapons, in doing so the US did what they pledged to do as thier part of the 6 nation agreement...
If we were like emperial rome we'd have just conquered them, lobbed a few nukes over thier and wipped them off the face of the earth, then in 50 years went and took control of thier land... Rome didnt exactly run a multinational diplomatic agreement in order to control another nation.
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As for Robertson, I list Falwell, Phelps etc. in the same category. The Christian right does exert a lot of power and continually want more. It is only time until they do control the government. It is coming unless of course the empire collapses first. I cannot remember specifics from Falwell but have listened to him enough.
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You have no right lumping Falwell in with the rest of those men, you posted no actual quotes that are similar, and you used one legitimat man (falwell) to falsly attacj decent fundamentalist christians, you did it deliberatly, to give legitimacy to your argument and its a lie.
If your going to lump Mr Falwell in with Phelps/Robertson then quote what it is Mr Falwell said, or leave his name and those who agree with him out of your little anti-american tiraid.
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We may say that these other churches are not true Christians but that is only the judgment of some. Those other churches indeed believe they are Christians.
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Ah so it is ok to judge true christians by the ones who obviously dont follow true christanity? I'll assueme then it is ok to judge all pluralists by the groups who dont hold true pluralism (if that exisists), or hey maybe its ok to judge all Muslums by the actions of only the militant ones?