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Old 09-22-2004, 01:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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cat stevens, terrorist

this is just ridiculous. cat stevens, denied entry to the US, and being deported for being on one of the 'watch' lists.

i can only assume it's because he's muslim, and has criticized the war in iraq.

of course, that doesn't make him a terrorist. but it does make him an undesireable to the government. and not being a US citizen, our country has no obligation to extend to him the basic rights we hold dear.

but still. this stinks. the guy's a pacifist for crying out loud.

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Old 09-22-2004, 03:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This is just stupid, he's a threat just because he's Muslim and just because he doesn't believe in the war? He's a singer, not a terrorist. There's no reason for him to be on the watch list.

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Old 09-22-2004, 08:39 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hello Gents,

Would you change your opinion if you found out that this "pacifist" actually did donate money to Hamas?

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Old 09-22-2004, 10:18 PM   #4 (permalink)
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the government is alleging that charities that he has contributed to may have funnelled funds to hamas and other terrorist organizations.

that doesn't make him personally or directly culpable, and from the way they are carefully phrasing it - "may have" - it sounds like a fishing expedition for reasons to keep him out.

thus far, i'm not impressed. if actual evidence is uncovered that he knowingly aided hamas, then certainly it will change my opinion. until then, it's just the government blowing so much smoke out their asses.

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Old 09-23-2004, 01:30 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Would you change your opinion if you found out that this "pacifist" actually did donate money to Hamas?
If you want to follow that logic then in that case th UK should ban all americans who contributed to us based charities funneling money to the IRA. For years the american government refused to do anything to stop the flow of weapons and money to them many americans refuse to acknowledge the connection as most of them in fairness didn't think they were supporting terrorists but freedom fighters. It seems there are good terrorists and bad terrorists.

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You must admit it does show a lack of common sense.

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Old 09-23-2004, 02:16 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I couldn't believe it when I heard it.... it's absolutely asanine. It's Cat freakin' Stevens man... he's a terrorist and I'm Queen of Sheba. The mans so passive he's almost apolitical... are they concerned he'll have another album?
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Old 09-28-2004, 01:39 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Please don't shoot the messenger.

Cat Stevens Gives Support To Call for Death of Rushdie
New York Times May 23, 1989

By CRAIG R. WHITNEY

LONDON, May 22 -- The musician known as Cat Stevens said in
a British television program to be broadcast next week that
rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the
author Salman Rushdie, ''I would have hoped that it'd be the
real thing.''

The singer, who adopted the name Yusuf Islam when he
converted to Islam, made the remark during a panel
discussion of British reactions to Ayatollah Ruhollah
Khomeini's call for Mr. Rushdie to be killed for allegedly
blaspheming Islam in his best-selling novel ''The Satanic
Verses.'' He also said that if Mr. Rushdie turned up at his
doorstep looking for help, ''I might ring somebody who might
do more damage to him than he would like.''

''I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him
exactly where this man is,'' said Mr. Islam, who watched a
preview of the program today and said in an interview that
he stood by his comments.

The statements by Mr. Islam and several other participants
in the discussion demonstrate how divided British liberal
intellectuals remain over the affair. British writers and
publishers have signed petitions backing Mr. Rushdie's
freedom to write what he wishes, but there have been no
public readings of his works. 'Not a Pacifist Religion'

Several of the participants defended Mr. Rushdie. The writer
Fay Weldon, for example, said, ''Burn the book today, kill
the writer tomorrow.'' She said she was offended by Mr.
Islam's remarks, which she said incited people to violence.

Also on the show was Dr. Kalim Siddiqui, director of the
Muslim Institute in London and one of the organizers of a
nationwide demonstration against ''Satanic Verses'' that is
scheduled for Hyde Park on Saturday. He said: ''I wouldn't
kill him, but I'm sure that there are very many people in
this country prepared at the moment. If they could lay their
hands on Rushdie, he would be dead.

''As a British citizen, I have a duty, if you like, a social
contract with the British state, not to break British law.
We are not a pacifist religion. We don't turn the other
cheek. We hit back.''

A British bookseller, Tim Waterstone, chairman of the chain
bearing his name, said that intimidation by opponents of the
book ''at the end of the day probably will work.''

''I don't want to see my staff in peril of their life and
health,'' he said, ''and I don't want to see my customers in
peril.''

And the Bishop of Manchester in the Church of England, the
Rev. Stanley Booth-Clibborn, said the British blasphemy law
is indefensible because it protects only the established
Christian church. Other clerics have suggested that the law
be extended to other faiths so Muslim objectors could stop
offensive books through court order. Government Defenders

In the end, Mr. Rushdie's most stalwart protectors have been
those he often said he most dislikes - Prime Minister
Margaret Thatcher's Government, which has given him police
protection at a secret location since the Ayatollah's death
threat last February. Iran broke diplomatic relations over
the affair, and though Foreign Secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe
expressed distaste for the book, he defended Mr. Rushdie's
right under British law and custom to write it.

Muslims in Britain have been divided by the affair. They
demonstrated against the book in several cities late last
year, but they say British news organizations began paying
attention to their objections only after the book was
publicly burned. Dr. Siddiqui said book-burning was not on
the program for Saturday's demonstration.

He and other Muslims who participated in the 53-minute
courtroom-style program, ''A Satanic Scenario,'' to be
broadcast on Britain's Independent Television Network next
Tuesday night, objected to cuts in the three-hour taping
session, held April 15, that omitted the Muslim
justification for punishment of blasphemy.

http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-
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Old 09-28-2004, 02:28 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Re: cat stevens, terrorist

for mr. stevens's response:

from shortly after the 'incident' in 1989:
http://catstevens.com/articles/00013/index.html

and a more recent (2003) statement on it:
http://catstevens.com/articles/00236/index.html


however, methinks he doth protest too much. it has the hollow ring of footsteps backtracking madly.

i'd like to see the actual unedited video or transcript, frankly.

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Poor Cat, what a brillant, intelligent sweet man, his treatment upon arrival in Maine is a result of terrorism experiences here, its a reminder of what happened, how did we know what his intentions were? Yusuff Islam now, spreading peace? what the hell happened in his mind? He fits in the Muslim religion perfectly, he is kind, interesting to me, but i don't compeletly get it? i have his CD.
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One of the reasons for not debating extending the blasphemy laws further is it would rapidly become let's do away with them altogether. Irreverence is part of our culture that is worth preserving.

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