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cat stevens, terrorist
this is just ridiculous. cat stevens, denied entry to the US, and being deported for being on one of the 'watch' lists.
i can only assume it's because he's muslim, and has criticized the war in iraq. of course, that doesn't make him a terrorist. but it does make him an undesireable to the government. and not being a US citizen, our country has no obligation to extend to him the basic rights we hold dear. but still. this stinks. the guy's a pacifist for crying out loud. |
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Re: cat stevens, terrorist
This is just stupid, he's a threat just because he's Muslim and just because he doesn't believe in the war? He's a singer, not a terrorist. There's no reason for him to be on the watch list.
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Re: cat stevens, terrorist
the government is alleging that charities that he has contributed to may have funnelled funds to hamas and other terrorist organizations.
that doesn't make him personally or directly culpable, and from the way they are carefully phrasing it - "may have" - it sounds like a fishing expedition for reasons to keep him out. thus far, i'm not impressed. if actual evidence is uncovered that he knowingly aided hamas, then certainly it will change my opinion. until then, it's just the government blowing so much smoke out their asses. Last edited by anastrophe; 09-22-2004 at 10:20 PM. Reason: clarification |
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Re: cat stevens, terrorist
Quote:
http://www.noraid.com/ You must admit it does show a lack of common sense. |
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Re: cat stevens, terrorist
I couldn't believe it when I heard it.... it's absolutely asanine. It's Cat freakin' Stevens man... he's a terrorist and I'm Queen of Sheba. The mans so passive he's almost apolitical... are they concerned he'll have another album?
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Please don't shoot the messenger.
Cat Stevens Gives Support To Call for Death of Rushdie New York Times May 23, 1989 By CRAIG R. WHITNEY LONDON, May 22 -- The musician known as Cat Stevens said in a British television program to be broadcast next week that rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the author Salman Rushdie, ''I would have hoped that it'd be the real thing.'' The singer, who adopted the name Yusuf Islam when he converted to Islam, made the remark during a panel discussion of British reactions to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini's call for Mr. Rushdie to be killed for allegedly blaspheming Islam in his best-selling novel ''The Satanic Verses.'' He also said that if Mr. Rushdie turned up at his doorstep looking for help, ''I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like.'' ''I'd try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is,'' said Mr. Islam, who watched a preview of the program today and said in an interview that he stood by his comments. The statements by Mr. Islam and several other participants in the discussion demonstrate how divided British liberal intellectuals remain over the affair. British writers and publishers have signed petitions backing Mr. Rushdie's freedom to write what he wishes, but there have been no public readings of his works. 'Not a Pacifist Religion' Several of the participants defended Mr. Rushdie. The writer Fay Weldon, for example, said, ''Burn the book today, kill the writer tomorrow.'' She said she was offended by Mr. Islam's remarks, which she said incited people to violence. Also on the show was Dr. Kalim Siddiqui, director of the Muslim Institute in London and one of the organizers of a nationwide demonstration against ''Satanic Verses'' that is scheduled for Hyde Park on Saturday. He said: ''I wouldn't kill him, but I'm sure that there are very many people in this country prepared at the moment. If they could lay their hands on Rushdie, he would be dead. ''As a British citizen, I have a duty, if you like, a social contract with the British state, not to break British law. We are not a pacifist religion. We don't turn the other cheek. We hit back.'' A British bookseller, Tim Waterstone, chairman of the chain bearing his name, said that intimidation by opponents of the book ''at the end of the day probably will work.'' ''I don't want to see my staff in peril of their life and health,'' he said, ''and I don't want to see my customers in peril.'' And the Bishop of Manchester in the Church of England, the Rev. Stanley Booth-Clibborn, said the British blasphemy law is indefensible because it protects only the established Christian church. Other clerics have suggested that the law be extended to other faiths so Muslim objectors could stop offensive books through court order. Government Defenders In the end, Mr. Rushdie's most stalwart protectors have been those he often said he most dislikes - Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher's Government, which has given him police protection at a secret location since the Ayatollah's death threat last February. Iran broke diplomatic relations over the affair, and though Foreign Secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe expressed distaste for the book, he defended Mr. Rushdie's right under British law and custom to write it. Muslims in Britain have been divided by the affair. They demonstrated against the book in several cities late last year, but they say British news organizations began paying attention to their objections only after the book was publicly burned. Dr. Siddiqui said book-burning was not on the program for Saturday's demonstration. He and other Muslims who participated in the 53-minute courtroom-style program, ''A Satanic Scenario,'' to be broadcast on Britain's Independent Television Network next Tuesday night, objected to cuts in the three-hour taping session, held April 15, that omitted the Muslim justification for punishment of blasphemy. http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie- cat.html |
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Re: cat stevens, terrorist
for mr. stevens's response:
from shortly after the 'incident' in 1989: http://catstevens.com/articles/00013/index.html and a more recent (2003) statement on it: http://catstevens.com/articles/00236/index.html however, methinks he doth protest too much. it has the hollow ring of footsteps backtracking madly. i'd like to see the actual unedited video or transcript, frankly. |
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Re: cat stevens, terrorist
Poor Cat, what a brillant, intelligent sweet man, his treatment upon arrival in Maine is a result of terrorism experiences here, its a reminder of what happened, how did we know what his intentions were? Yusuff Islam now, spreading peace? what the hell happened in his mind? He fits in the Muslim religion perfectly, he is kind, interesting to me, but i don't compeletly get it? i have his CD.
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Re: cat stevens, terrorist
One of the reasons for not debating extending the blasphemy laws further is it would rapidly become let's do away with them altogether. Irreverence is part of our culture that is worth preserving.
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