One in three American's Say U.S. Aided in 9/11

[allisonthegreat]

ONE IN 3 AMERICANS SAY U.S.
AIDED 9/11

SURVEY SHOCKER

By THOMAS HARGROVE and GUIDO H. STEMPEL III
The plots thicken

August 3, 2006 -- More than one-third of Americans suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new poll.

The survey also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive Twin Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.

The national Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/one_in_3_americ...

[Galbally]

Originally Posted by allisonthegreat

ONE IN 3 AMERICANS SAY U.S.
AIDED 9/11

SURVEY SHOCKER

By THOMAS HARGROVE and GUIDO H. STEMPEL III
The plots thicken

August 3, 2006 -- More than one-third of Americans suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new poll.

The survey also found that 16 percent of Americans speculate that secretly planted explosives, not burning passenger jets, were the real reason the massive Twin Towers of the World Trade Center collapsed.

The national Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll of 1,010 adults also found that anger against the federal government is at record levels, with 54 percent saying they "personally are more angry" at the government than they used to be.

http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/one_in_3_americ...

Hmmmn, I wonder whether one third of americans would also be suspicious of straw polls taken on paranoid conspiracy theories as well, I would suspect it would be higher than that. In terms of the alleged conspiracy, lets look at that for a moment.

It suggests that a nebulous "secret government organization" in the U.S. was capable of pulling off the craziest foreign policy escapade of all time, destroying a large section of lower Manhatten and much of the Pentagon (which is supposedly the bastion of all secrets such as aliens and the like), leaving no hard evidence of any kind and no reliable witnesses. Why then do the same security services find it so difficult to simply assassinate the leaders of hostile regiemes, which would be much cheaper and carry far less risk, as well as not involving killing fellow citizens and their own agents, damaging the economy of U.S., and destroying their own headquarters and a prime symbol of capitalist success and achievement? Methinks that perhaps in such instances the more simple (if mundane) answer that none of what happened on 911 or following has been of any benefit to the U.S. and that the U.S. government although very powerful is not all powerful , just another run-of-the mill goverment trying to deal with events (good or bad) as they arise (just like every other government on planet earth, non earth goverments may be different should they exist). This to me would be a more believeable scenario.

Though perhaps many people find the idea that somehow there is some kind of evil force in the world controlling everything more appealling. It used to be the Catholic Church or the Jews, but now its the U.S. goverment. In fact the truth is that no-one or nation is in control of events to any great extent as there are too many people, countries, companies, organizations, religions, philosophies, and ideas for anyone to have the kind of omnipitent control that you describe. I'm not saying that there are not people who would like that to be the case, and sometimes such people have even gained power in various countries, but as yet no-one has managed to achieve anything like that, and more than likely never will as that is the way of the world, thank god.

Also, more generally, if the U.S. needed a pretext to go to war with another country, it could come up with a far less intricate series of events such as the sinking of ship, or the bombing of an embassy, or some alleged imminent danger that that country posed to the U.S. After all the U.S. didn't need to devastate Pearl Harbour in order to declare war on Japan as the Japanese obiliginly did that themselves, they didn't need to Bomb London to declare war on Nazi Germany, as again the Germans did that all by themselves, in fact they didn't even need to assasinate Jane Fonda to create a pretext for Vietnam they just used national interest to get involved there. So perhaps it was indeed Al Queda who bombed the WTC etc on sept 11th and it is they who wish to see a general conflict in the middle east and upon the west in general, after all they keep saying they did it and they do.

In short, its purile nonsense.

[anastrophe]

well said, galbally. it puts me in mind of a quote -

Rabid suspicion has nothing in it of skepticism. The suspicious mind believes more than it doubts. It believes in a formidable and ineradicable evil lurking in every person.
-Eric Hoffer

[Galbally]

Originally Posted by anastrophe

well said, galbally. it puts me in mind of a quote -

Rabid suspicion has nothing in it of skepticism. The suspicious mind believes more than it doubts. It believes in a formidable and ineradicable evil lurking in every person.
-Eric Hoffer

Exactly.

[allisonthegreat]

Originally Posted by Galbally

Exactly.

Just some food for thought. There are a few different conspiracy theories out there. Up to including the one where the twin towers were wired.
Still I can't imagine why? Why so much distruction and loss of life? Most of this is coming up probably because of the anniversary but most of it has been on the net for awhile.
I know in Ireland you have your own troubles or had. I even saw an article (I apologize I don't know where), that Irish Catholic citizens in Great Britain are victims of prejudice. The article may have stated just Irish citizens.
Thank you for responding to my post.
It is always nice to meet someone from Ireland as my Aunt and Uncle used to spend summers in the South during the seventies. regards, allison

[ch4rlie]

i think this theory is complete bollocks. gallbally you have got very good points. things i was thinking but couldn't put to type.

[Angelica]

Originally Posted by Galbally

Hmmmn, I wonder whether one third of americans would also be suspicious of straw polls taken on paranoid conspiracy theories as well, I would suspect it would be higher than that.

Or if they should be suspicious of the NYPost being the one doing the poll. That rag is as worthless as the tattletale Inquirer or Star, or for that matter any other tabloid out there that is not a true news source.

Conspiracy will always abound, but coming from that rag..I think not.

[Galbally]

Originally Posted by allisonthegreat

Just some food for thought. There are a few different conspiracy theories out there. Up to including the one where the twin towers were wired.
Still I can't imagine why? Why so much distruction and loss of life? Most of this is coming up probably because of the anniversary but most of it has been on the net for awhile.
I know in Ireland you have your own troubles or had. I even saw an article (I apologize I don't know where), that Irish Catholic citizens in Great Britain are victims of prejudice. The article may have stated just Irish citizens.
Thank you for responding to my post.
It is always nice to meet someone from Ireland as my Aunt and Uncle used to spend summers in the South during the seventies. regards, allison

Thank you for being tactful as I do tend to get worked up about conspiracy theories as they are a pet hate of mine. Not that I don't think that there are real conspiracies in the world, just that are mostly mundane (though scary) terrorist plots, political intrigues, shady transactions, and the like thats a fact of human life and people will always have plots or conflicts going on.

Of course there are always exceptions that make the rule also, but by their nature exceptions tend to be, well exceptional.

The difference is in the "big" conspiracies in modern popular culture, which have more to do with film plots and the like than anything remotely real such as alien abductions, crop circles, jews, elvis, I dunno, the second coming, the knights templar, etc etc, you know what I mean. They seem to almost to have become a pseudo religion for some people who have become completely subverted to looking at everything in a mostly irrational and generally credulous matter.

I kinda thought it was just a case of intellectual laziness and pre-millenial tension, but its getting worse as I can see. Also the downside of vague suspicions and conspiracy ideas such as these is that it can create general paranoia and panic in people everywhere, and under such conditions people are liable to do terrible things for percieved threats that are out of all proportion to reality, and then intelligent people with really threatening ideas such as islamic fundamentalists or other religious extremists, neo nazis, extreme nationalists, unreconstructed stalinsts etc. etc. can use such climates very effectively. Given the current geopolitical climate, that is a serious problem and the real threat.


In terms of the Irish thing, political violence is pretty mundane and normal and yes its been a feature of Irish life for a long long time, though it has been confined to the north for most of the 20th century and perhaps is changing finally for the better in the 21st, perhaps. Also I'm sure quite a few Irish people have encountered prejudice in Britain, but then some British people have encountered preudice here, given the history of the two Islands its hardly surprising, though regrettable, and I do actually think that mutually held stereotypes are changing rapidly here and in Britain and have been for a long time. I don't think that was ever percieved in quite the same conspiracy theory way, though of course there have been lots of shady goings on, assasinations, plots, bombs, secret organizations, couter-terroirsm the whole shebang as we might say, but it was something that has always been nothing if not very real and very gritty and not a plot device for some crazy story.

[allisonthegreat]

No i was not insinuating that the Irish-Britain conflict was a conspiracy. I happen to know it was and is very real.

Perhaps you do not find conspiracies entertaining. Do you believe in remote viewing?

What if one day it turns up that there is actual proof (more than there is now) that the twin towers had a little more help than just the two large jets?

What would you say then?

I do not necessarily believe in UFO's but I believe alot more in some of these conspiracies thank that.

Take it you are not a fan of Art Bell, George Noury or Alex Jones?

Hey I am not trying to sway you over to my side. But is a lot information out there that supports that theory of 911.

[anastrophe]

there is is a great deal of "information" out there supporting the conspiracy theories regarding 9/11. however, information is not evidence. there is precious little genuine evidence to support the theories.

any idiot with an internet connection can speculate on the matter, and as a matter of fact, they do - at length. I visited a very somber and serious website that implied that the passengers on flight 93 - the one that crashed in pennsylvania - were all gassed to death, and that the jet was being flown by remote control by the military.

quite a few folks will cite that as "information" pertaining to the conspiracy.

my information tells me that at 7am on the morning of the attacks, president bush was put in the cockpit of a commercial flight simulator, and he himself flew the final moments of all four of the jets, the output from those simulators was fed into the remote control devices, and that was used a few hours later to guide the jets into the twin towers, the pentagon, and the pennsylvania field. bush wanted to "be the one" who actually guided the planes to their destinations - that whole cowboy mentality he has. so in fact the events of that day lead *directly* to george bush. the recorded simulator output is still in existence - it's stored on a harddisk, believe it or not, in a vault in the grand caymans, so that it is outside US jurisdiction should this ever be formally investigated. and of course all the data is 3DES encrypted.