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Old 01-20-2007, 05:31 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Carl Jung



Synchronicity is an explanatory principle, according to its creator, Carl Jung. Synchronicity explains "meaningful coincidences," such as a beetle flying into his room while a patient was describing a dream about a scarab. The scarab is an Egyptian symbol of rebirth, he noted. Therefore, the propitious moment of the flying beetle indicated that the transcendental meaning of both the scarab in the dream and the insect in the room was that the patient needed to be liberated from her excessive rationalism. His notion of synchronicity is that there is an acausal principle that links events having a similar meaning by their coincidence in time rather than sequentially. He claimed that there is a synchrony between the mind and the phenomenal world of perception.





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Old 01-20-2007, 05:35 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Thanks Novelty, it's something that I'm fascinated with myself, synchnonicity does seem to be a very real principle. I guess some notice it, others maybe don't.
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Old 01-20-2007, 12:51 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks Novelty, it's something that I'm fascinated with myself, synchnonicity does seem to be a very real principle. I guess some notice it, others maybe don't.

No probs pinky my dear

synchronicity is the opposite if coincidence...
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks Novelty for that. It's given me some things to think about.
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:22 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Thanks Novelty for that. It's given me some things to think about.
No probs hamster

The Big Five
The Big Five are the Persona, the Ego, the Shadow, the Anima/Animus, and the Self . Each has a specific role or quality which is why I prefer to think of them as functions.


The Persona

The Persona is that which we present to the outside world. It isn't really our selves, though there is a danger we can identify too much with it and believe it to be so. It is a mask. It's not a bad thing to have, in fact it's necessary for getting along with others. Jung seems to talk about it in the singular, but I suspect that a well adjusted person has several masks and is adept at juggling them and knowing which one is appropriate when and just how opaque it needs to be. In any event, singular or plural, it's a fact of life. Ask a doctor what he does and he won't say, "I do medicine", he's unlikely even to say, "I practice medicine". What you'll likely hear is "I'm a doctor". Occupation isn't the only shelf where masks are pulled from. Religion, sexual orientation, politics, the social sciences....

The Ego

The ego is the centre of consciousness. It is identity. It is 'I'. But it is not the totality of the psyche. Being the king of consciousness amounts to dominion over a small but important land surrounded by a wide world of terra incognita. The more aware the King is of lands beyond his domain the more secure he will be on his throne, but he must not be tempted to open the borders to it all. In Jungian theory the unconscious is far too vast to ever be made fully conscious, poking about in it is not without danger, yet ignoring it is also a mistake since it leads to a brittle fixedness which at best impedes growth, at worst can break when under the pressure of the 'threat' of change.

The Shadow

I was a couple of sentences in on Anima/Animus, before I noticed that I had forgotten the Shadow. That is the nature of this archetype, it is the receptacle for all of that which we have for one reason or another disowned. There seems to be a movement on to 'redeem' the Shadow, as evidenced by such books as Your Golden Shadow, but in truth there's a great deal that's very, very unpleasant here, since we have good reason for wanting to disown our darker natures. The avenue for an attempted redemption of the Shadow lies in the belief that everything disowned winds up here. A person who grew up in a family where level headedness prevailed and such things as art making were not given much value may discover some artistic aptitude hiding out in their shadow. There are treasures here, but they are buried in stinking muck.

The Anima/Animus

The Anima is the female soul image of a man, the Animus the male soul image of a woman. That is the most simple definition, and one which many struggle with, since Jung seems quite absolute in defining a person's soul image as gender opposite.

"Soul image" sounds very pretty, but the Anima/Animus is not without a negative pole as well. Jung's anima whispered to him that what he was doing was "art". He rejected this and pushed ahead as a 'scientist' which was much better in a society which regards science as 'serious' and art as less so.

If one is on good terms with one's Anima/Animus he/she can prove a valuable messenger between the unconscious and the conscious, a connecting link - a veritable Hermes.

The Self

The Self is simply the centre and the totality of the entire psyche. It is the archetype which contains all the other archetypes and around which they orbit. It's something of a paradox, and extremely difficult for the conscious ego to accept.
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:42 PM   #6 (permalink)
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No probs hamster

The Big Five
The Big Five are the Persona, the Ego, the Shadow, the Anima/Animus, and the Self . Each has a specific role or quality which is why I prefer to think of them as functions.


The Persona

The Persona is that which we present to the outside world. It isn't really our selves, though there is a danger we can identify too much with it and believe it to be so. It is a mask. It's not a bad thing to have, in fact it's necessary for getting along with others. Jung seems to talk about it in the singular, but I suspect that a well adjusted person has several masks and is adept at juggling them and knowing which one is appropriate when and just how opaque it needs to be. In any event, singular or plural, it's a fact of life. Ask a doctor what he does and he won't say, "I do medicine", he's unlikely even to say, "I practice medicine". What you'll likely hear is "I'm a doctor". Occupation isn't the only shelf where masks are pulled from. Religion, sexual orientation, politics, the social sciences....

Yes I can count at least 3 persona's I have immediately...

The Ego

The ego is the centre of consciousness. It is identity. It is 'I'. But it is not the totality of the psyche. Being the king of consciousness amounts to dominion over a small but important land surrounded by a wide world of terra incognita. The more aware the King is of lands beyond his domain the more secure he will be on his throne, but he must not be tempted to open the borders to it all. In Jungian theory the unconscious is far too vast to ever be made fully conscious, poking about in it is not without danger, yet ignoring it is also a mistake since it leads to a brittle fixedness which at best impedes growth, at worst can break when under the pressure of the 'threat' of change.

I think I was impeded for several years because I ignored it or surpressed it?

The Shadow

I was a couple of sentences in on Anima/Animus, before I noticed that I had forgotten the Shadow. That is the nature of this archetype, it is the receptacle for all of that which we have for one reason or another disowned. There seems to be a movement on to 'redeem' the Shadow, as evidenced by such books as Your Golden Shadow, but in truth there's a great deal that's very, very unpleasant here, since we have good reason for wanting to disown our darker natures. The avenue for an attempted redemption of the Shadow lies in the belief that everything disowned winds up here. A person who grew up in a family where level headedness prevailed and such things as art making were not given much value may discover some artistic aptitude hiding out in their shadow. There are treasures here, but they are buried in stinking muck.

Are you suggesting we should just ignore this part of ourselves here? Is it not worth looking?

The Anima/Animus

The Anima is the female soul image of a man, the Animus the male soul image of a woman. That is the most simple definition, and one which many struggle with, since Jung seems quite absolute in defining a person's soul image as gender opposite.

"Soul image" sounds very pretty, but the Anima/Animus is not without a negative pole as well. Jung's anima whispered to him that what he was doing was "art". He rejected this and pushed ahead as a 'scientist' which was much better in a society which regards science as 'serious' and art as less so.

If one is on good terms with one's Anima/Animus he/she can prove a valuable messenger between the unconscious and the conscious, a connecting link - a veritable Hermes.

How would one go about activating this messenger?

The Self

The Self is simply the centre and the totality of the entire psyche. It is the archetype which contains all the other archetypes and around which they orbit. It's something of a paradox, and extremely difficult for the conscious ego to accept.
Thank you once again...
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Thank you once again...
Your ego suppressed you..
Do not ignore the shadow, we have to face up to this to discover the self,
understanding your soul image, makes you understand yourself
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Old 01-20-2007, 01:55 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Your ego suppressed you..
Do not ignore the shadow, we have to face up to this to discover the self,
understanding your soul image, makes you understand yourself
Yep that's true..funny how I assumed it was the other way round?
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Old 01-20-2007, 02:08 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Yep that's true..funny how I assumed it was the other way round?
Now can you understand why the self is in a void, things like this are deceiving ones self, you recognise your persona, ego and now what goes into the shadow.
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Old 01-20-2007, 02:13 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Your ego suppressed you..
Do not ignore the shadow, we have to face up to this to discover the self,
understanding your soul image, makes you understand yourself

And I find that when I start to try and reclaim my projections, it's not only difficult but incredibly painful...it's much easier to condemn someone else and see the problem "out there" instead of within me. I find that the more critical I am of someone, the more likely it is to a quality that I'm denying in myself. Of course that also applies to positive qualities.
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