What Are They Dying For?

[koan]

Seeing as it is Remembrance/Veteran's Day and that, recently, a few members have said that not everyone should have the freedom of speech and/or a fair trial... I'd like to hear some answers on what our soldiers have died for.

I've also heard that we should take various actions because other countries would do the same. We fight other countries to keep our values and way of life. Again, what are they dying for?

[watermark]

Originally Posted by koan

We fight other countries to keep our values and way of life. Again, what are they dying for?

I would say that is why, what you said above. I don't know why everyone has to fight like this, but his is how people settle things, by fighting to the death.

It might sound like I don't appreciate where I live or the freedoms I have but that is not true. I'm grateful for being born and having lived in a free country like the US. Thanks to men and women who have fought for my way of life I say thank you. I know I couldnt be a soldier and so I'm glad someone will do this job.

Maybe someday we won't have to fight for freedom like this. Maybe someday everyone on earth will have freedom and things will not need to come to war.

E

[RedGlitter]

I think this topic could wait until after Veterans Day. It's not very sharp to question why they died or are dying on a day we use to honor them.

[koan]

What better way to honour them than to try and ensure that what they fought for is retained?

I keep getting told that I'm being inappropriate and I'd like to state that it is simply a matter of seeing the world differently. This thread is my way of honouring those people whether or not you approve of it or understand it.

[RedGlitter]

Call it what you want Koan, but I see no difference between starting a thread like this and picketing a military funeral. One thing I've learned the hard way is that there really is a time and a place for everything. Your timing is off when we have members here who have dead loved ones, amputated and blinded loved ones, and loved ones who may not even come home. I don't care if you think I should approve or not, the fact is you've offended me and I would guess to say I'm not the only one. You forget we are honoring ALL war veterans and not just those in Iraq. I have people in my family who fought in wars and I don't appreciate this BS on their memory.

[cinamin]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

I think this topic could wait until after Veterans Day. It's not very sharp to question why they died or are dying on a day we use to honor them.

Who died and made you the FG policewoman? Considering all of the stupid posts you subject us to, you are in no place to tell anyone what they can and cannot write here. BTW, are you looking for a brownie button for the nutjob who started the most posts?

[JacksDad]

Originally Posted by watermark

I would say that is why, what you said above. I don't know why everyone has to fight like this, but his is how people settle things, by fighting to the death.

It might sound like I don't appreciate where I live or the freedoms I have but that is not true. I'm grateful for being born and having lived in a free country like the US. Thanks to men and women who have fought for my way of life I say thank you. I know I couldnt be a soldier and so I'm glad someone will do this job.

Maybe someday we won't have to fight for freedom like this. Maybe someday everyone on earth will have freedom and things will not need to come to war.

E

Sounds good to me.
I posted this last year at this time. I shall post it again.

If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath--a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path....


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This is life kids.
Deal with it.

[Imladris]

I completely and whole heartedly agree with Red here. Today is a day to remember and honour, a day to admire and reflect on how lucky we are NOT a day to start a debate on whether their sacrifice was right, justified or worth it.

Just thank God that their sacrifice was made and that we have the freedom (whatever country you belong to) to be able to discuss it. Just not today.


Let us retain some dignity for goodness sake, for one day.

[gmc]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

I think this topic could wait until after Veterans Day. It's not very sharp to question why they died or are dying on a day we use to honor them.

Actually the point of remembrance day in the UK is not only to remember the fallen but also remind ourselves of the futility of war and the consequences of blind obedience to patriotism's call. It is very much to remember them and question why they died and a promise from the living to the dead that it will not happen again. In a very real sense they died so that you COULD question. It's almost an insult to their memory not to question why they died and also not to question why soldiers are again being asked to die for us. As well as sadness IMO you should feel anger at the politicians who so happily go to war with other people's children and wave the banner of patriotism at those who dare to ask why and who would use remembrance day and the sentiments aroused by it for their own purposes to stop the questioning.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Saw the documentary. He makes the point that all wars end at the conference table so why not sit at a table before so many died. Kind of says it all really.

[JacksDad]

Originally Posted by gmc

Actually the point of remembrance day in the UK is not only to remember the fallen but also remind ourselves of the futility of war and the consequences of blind obedience to patriotism's call. It is very much to remember them and question why they died and a promise from the living to the dead that it will not happen again. In a very real sense they died so that you COULD question. It's almost an insult to their memory not to question why they died and also not to question why soldiers are again being asked to die for us. As well as sadness IMO you should feel anger at the politicians who so happily go to war with other people's children and wave the banner of patriotism at those who dare to ask why and who would use remembrance day and the sentiments aroused by it for their own purposes to stop the questioning.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Saw the documentary. He makes the point that all wars end at the conference table so why not sit at a table before so many died. Kind of says it all really.

Bravo gmc.