Bush Didn't Listen to the Pope.

[environment 100]

Before invading Iraq, the leader of the Catholic world sent a strong
message to Bush.

"Go into Iraq and You Go Without God". Here is the link from
a British newspaper: http://web.sbu.edu/fcsc/pope_to_bush.htm

What do you think about this?

[illuminati]

Originally Posted by environment 100

Before invading Iraq, the leader of the Catholic world sent a strong
message to Bush.

"Go into Iraq and You Go Without God". Here is the link from
a British newspaper: http://web.sbu.edu/fcsc/pope_to_bush.htm

What do you think about this?

Excellent question! This brings up a boatload of questions. Let's look at a couple of things:

1. Bush is a Methodist. Technically he does not acknowledge the Pope in Rome as his spiritual leader.

2. The Pope views President Bush as the political leader of American Catholics. Therefore, the Pope believes that Bush needs to listen to him.

"God is a neutral observer in the affairs of man," the Pope said.

What? This quote shocked me. Not my impression from the works in the Bible. How then, does the GOOD stand up against EVIL?

It also goes against what most people are tought on an individual basis.

Question: Where did ROME stand on the U.S. entering World War I? World War II?

If I remember correctly, The Vatican seemed fairly absent during the World Conflicts in the first half of the 20th century.

Last question: Is this article from a reliable source? Doesn't quite jive.

[Pearl Harbor]

Originally Posted by illuminati

Excellent question! This brings up a boatload of questions.

If I remember correctly, The Vatican seemed fairly absent during the World Conflicts in the first half of the 20th century.

Last question: Is this article from a reliable source? Doesn't quite jive.

Your memory serves you well. Unfortunate but true. Churchill considered the Pope: "Hitler's Pope."

I know that as of 1940, the British were very frustrated with the Pope's refusal to speak out against the fascist powers. For those of you who are unfamiliar with who this was. It included: Germany, Italy, and Japan.

Some argue that the Pope was in an impossible situation. I am sure there is more to the story and maybe some reasons why the Papacy did not speak out. This issue added to a disappointing period of our lives.

[Tombstone]

Originally Posted by Pearl Harbor

Your memory serves you well. Unfortunate but true. Churchill considered the Pope: "Hitler's Pope."

I know that as of 1940, the British were very frustrated with the Pope's refusal to speak out against the fascist powers. For those of you who are unfamiliar with who this was. It included: Germany, Italy, and Japan.

Some argue that the Pope was in an impossible situation. I am sure there is more to the story and maybe some reasons why the Papacy did not speak out. This issue added to a disappointing period of our lives.

Talk of several items:

1. Keeping the Vatican intact much better for the Allies than having it destroyed. Lots of diplomatic intrigue went on because of this - The Vatican was a main conduit for pro-Allied intelligence.

2. The Allies would send "damning" type correspondence to the Vatican as a reverse-psychology type of ploy. (All of the correspondence was monitored and read by the Axis Evil Doers.) They wanted the Axis Powers to think that the Allies were pissed at the Vatican. Kept the heat off Vatican City.

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That being said: No excuse for the deafening quiet when the Jews were being harassed and "relocated" starting in the 30's.

My bet is this: If the papacy had thrown a fit early on it could have thrown a cog into the wheels of Mussolini's and Hitler's socialist parties at a very critical juncture.

But we'll never know.

[environment 100]

This article is from a British newspaper, it is true.
I remember that the pope said this, then I checked this
on google and find this. In America they almost didn't mention this.

Question: Where did ROME stand on the U.S. entering World War I? World War II?

My answer, we are after these bad events. I didn't like that the Vatican
did not do more, but this was in the past.
This Pope is loved all over the world, he just thought that this is a bad idea.
By the way, The number of baptised Catholics "has increased
worldwide from 757 million in 1978 to 1.06 billion in
2001", according to the new Annuario Pontificio,
(Pontifical Yearbook).
The number of Americans who are Catholics is around 1 to
5 ratio. Which is 20% of the American population.
Which is around 45 Millions Catholics in America.
So all this doesn't matter to our president? I can imagine that Bush
shook hands with the Catholics,
a day after the pope sent this message to Bush.


By the way, the IRAQ war was planed already around 11 years
ago. I do remember reading about this plan.
I remember the names Bush and Cheney in there.
So I am almost sure that even if the pope
was a Methodist. The invasion would have happened anyway

[Serenity]

It's one thing for the Pope to advise bush not to go to war, but that's like your roomate telling you not to go to work, when the rent's due.

without bush goin to war to secure the oil interests, what'd happen to the economy? I guess that's where Ideologies collide,eh?

Personally, (i'm no advocate of Bush) but if i was Dubya, i'd of paid little attention to the pope myself.
I've nothing against religion or catholics, in this case......but IMO the pope is little more then the head of the worlds' oldest & best franchise system.
He's just another guy in business and his interests did not benefit the boys in the oil biz.

It's all very well to bring god into the issue, but Oil is the world's merri-go-round and without it, those same followers of the faith they love so much, would suffer immense change of their lifestyles. What would they have to say to that?
how many people are that devoted , they'd walk to church?

[Tombstone]

Agreed. I find it amazing the amount of people who belittle our need for oil. "Oh, we'll find another source. We really don't need all that much oil today. We'll get by!"

Holy Smokes! Everything would come to a grinding halt. Worse yet, no food! Most people would lose their running water. (Pump plants.) No gas! (Can't pump gas without electricity.) No products being produced.

Our "Just In Time" inventories would be depleted within a day or days. Ever shopped at a grocery store that had a missed delivery by its truck? Sobering.

Originally Posted by Serenity

It's one thing for the Pope to advise bush not to go to war, but that's like your roomate telling you not to go to work, when the rent's due.

without bush goin to war to secure the oil interests, what'd happen to the economy? I guess that's where Ideologies collide,eh?

Personally, (i'm no advocate of Bush) but if i was Dubya, i'd of paid little attention to the pope myself.
I've nothing against religion or catholics, in this case......but IMO the pope is little more then the head of the worlds' oldest & best franchise system.
He's just another guy in business and his interests did not benefit the boys in the oil biz.

It's all very well to bring god into the issue, but Oil is the world's merri-go-round and without it, those same followers of the faith they love so much, would suffer immense change of their lifestyles. What would they have to say to that?
how many people are that devoted , they'd walk to church?

[Tombstone]

I need to correct this. The whole World War II fiasco should have been prevented. It's crazy to point the blame at the Papacy. Most of Europe had its eyes closed while Hitler was building an arsenal.

The U.S. was firmly in isolationist mode and wanted the Continent to take care of themselves.

Originally Posted by Tombstone

That being said: No excuse for the deafening quiet when the Jews were being harassed and "relocated" starting in the 30's.

My bet is this: If the papacy had thrown a fit early on it could have thrown a cog into the wheels of Mussolini's and Hitler's socialist parties at a very critical juncture.

But we'll never know.

[environment 100]

Tombstone,

It is true that we need oil. But if we will not find other resources we will
be in trouble very soon. First the environment is polluted.
The green house effect, the temperature is rising. Snow and ice are melting,
The sea level is rising. Fish and other animals cannot adapt to higher temperature.
Also we have Acid Rain that is bad for trees and the PH of water become more
Acid.
Second, the oil will not be here forever, you can see already those prices
are much higher, could you imagine two years ago that a barrel of oil will be
$50?
We must understand that the sooner we find alternatives are better for us all.

[Bill Sikes]

Originally Posted by environment 100

Before invading Iraq, the leader of the Catholic world sent a strong
message to Bush.

"Go into Iraq and You Go Without God". Here is the link from
a British newspaper: http://web.sbu.edu/fcsc/pope_to_bush.htm

What do you think about this?

Which British newspaper?

The URL points to a page which seems to be on a "St. Bonaventure University",
some establishment in New York, U.S.A.

Interesting to see the name on: http://web.sbu.edu/fcsc/ - Looney! ROFLMAO!!