An idea for making either money....or enemies.

BabyRider · 03-09-2005, 05:42 PM

Ya' know how everyone wishes they had "the idea." That one idea that will make them millions? I can't believe I'm gonna post this idea, but I'm not sure where else to get input. If this is just nuts, stupid, ridiculous, and the dumbest thing you've ever read, TELL ME. OK...<deep breath>

You're a bar owner. If there was a service available to you that would give you advice for better managing your staff, and at the same time, find thieves, would you use it?
Most of you know that I have been a bartender for a long time. If there's one thing I know, it's running a bar. I know who is stealing, I know who is dealing dope, and I know good service. What if there was a service for bar owners to have someone come in, tell them where their service could improve, and tell them who is stealing from them? It's rampant in every bar I've ever worked in, and every bar owner is convinced that EVERYONE steals from them.
I can't help but think that this could be a marketable service. Have I completely gone off the deep end? Do I spend too much time in front of the computer, frying too many brain cells? Total honesty here, I can take it...Very thick skinned...Sock it to me!

lime-sterman · 03-10-2005, 01:29 PM

If someone does go in and improve the service, and minimized or stopped the theft, how is that going to maintained when that guy leave's?...........unless you leave someone behind who is as zealous about maintaining that level of service and security, or has time to maintain that level of service and security as the guy who introduced it!.........people being people tend to slip back into old habit's,........a system is only as good as the people using it!

Those you get rid of who are suspected of theft and are slack in there dutie's, the new guy's you employ still have to be trained up for the job, it's obviously going to boil down to how much he think's or know's he's losing, and how much he can gain from the service, and how the guy who is offering the service sell's it to them!

Questions?

BabyRider · 03-10-2005, 01:33 PM

OK, so the problem you see is longevity. Good point, and something I hadn't considered. This "idea" is in the mulling over stage right now. I'm hoping for more feedback, but I'm worried that those who know me here think I'm a moron and are afraid of hurting my feelings!!

Thanks for the input Lime!

abbey · 03-10-2005, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BabyRider

OK, so the problem you see is longevity. Good point, and something I hadn't considered. This "idea" is in the mulling over stage right now. I'm hoping for more feedback, but I'm worried that those who know me here think I'm a moron and are afraid of hurting my feelings!!

Thanks for the input Lime!

Never a moron hon..... actually i saw a programme on tv a few years ago about a nightclub that was having a problem with staff ripping him off, so the tv company sent someone in undercover to show him how his staff was robbing him and the guy was amazed, he just did'nt have a clue.

Peg · 03-10-2005, 05:15 PM

I worked at a bar where boss was a total moron. His bar manager was ripping him off big time and he knew it. He let her because she slept with him. She'd try to justify taking money for this or that and I'd just tell her if he don't care, why should I. Just don't involve me.

I now work at a private veterans organization. There are ways to rip them off, but I don't believe any of us are. I handle all the bookwork and computer work for their gambling so I would catch it because every ticket etc. must be accounted for.

Myself, if I owned a bar and felt the need for a service like this, I would have to let go the person/people I did not trust. I would not want people handling my money that I did not have total faith in.

I imagine though there is a need for this service for people who don't want to take the time to carefully watch what is really going on.

A Karenina · 03-10-2005, 07:17 PM

A multi-million dollar idea is never perfect on the first try. So, keep thinking it through, and believe in yourself.

Ok, three things off the top of my head.
1) As lime-sterman already mentioned, longevity is important.
2) Cost-effectiveness. If the cost of your service is equal to or more than the cost of the theft, they'll keep the theft.
3) Protecting your idea. How will you handle or control competition which will crop up as soon as your idea proves successful? It'll suck if they have more money to expand than you do. Happens all the time...that cool little correction tape that replaced liquid white-out? Small company started it, made a little bit of money, and then got outfoxed by the bigger players. I don't like big rude foxes. LOL

Who would benefit from your idea besides bar owners? Police? LC? what do you think? Insurance companies so long as their is a policy covering theft. The IRS. They love to meddle in the affairs of companies with cash tips.

Making solid contacts with bigger fish who would get something out of helping you is a good step towards success as well.

Fish and foxes...perhaps it's an Animal Planet night.

Now, boldly go forth, keep wrestling with these ideas and even more as they come to you.
You know...I once thought of an invention, and I talked about it in public. Two years later some woman was making money by selling a product identical to the one I made up. You just never know.

KimmiGirl · 06-07-2005, 03:20 AM

Hmmmm .... why not put all your knowledge and experience onto paper and sell it on the web as an e-book?

Or even, why not set up a website for bartenders/owners - you could have free general hints and tips, but could make your money by having a subscribing newsletter/e-zine. Naturally, all the specialised information eg how to look out for people stealing, how to improve service would all be in the subscription newsletter. Sounds like a goer to me.

I've just done a Google search on "bartender tips" = 1,200 results and "bar owner tips" = 3 results.

Go for it BabyRider! Looks like you are onto a winner!!

Let me know if you'd like some internet/web marketing tips.

valerie · 06-07-2005, 07:55 PM

Sorry, BR, when I read your post I kept thinking of the movie Road House!!!

spot · 06-07-2005, 10:35 PM

It's a good idea, BR, think about extend it to hotels. They have even bigger security issues and far more money. If you introduce yourself to the general managers and tell them you'll work for a tenth of what you save them, that ought to catch their attention, hotels or bar owners.

turbonium · 06-07-2005, 11:33 PM

Looks like there are some similar consulting services out there - I found a couple on the web - see links
bar security
nightclub biz
Employee theft
But - Maybe your idea is different? Or you can market it with more focus on the overall cost benefits....

As a business owner, I can tell you the number one thing to do is...

Draw up a business plan - include market appeal & potential market size (survey bar managers), cost-benefit analysis for customers, your profit potential (margins), startup costs, competition analysis, etc.

Good luck....

03-09-2005, 05:42 PM	#1 (permalink)
BabyRider Missin and LOVIN Bullet Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: My own private Hell Posts: 10,069	An idea for making either money....or enemies. Ya' know how everyone wishes they had "the idea." That one idea that will make them millions? I can't believe I'm gonna post this idea, but I'm not sure where else to get input. If this is just nuts, stupid, ridiculous, and the dumbest thing you've ever read, TELL ME. OK...<deep breath> You're a bar owner. If there was a service available to you that would give you advice for better managing your staff, and at the same time, find thieves, would you use it? Most of you know that I have been a bartender for a long time. If there's one thing I know, it's running a bar. I know who is stealing, I know who is dealing dope, and I know good service. What if there was a service for bar owners to have someone come in, tell them where their service could improve, and tell them who is stealing from them? It's rampant in every bar I've ever worked in, and every bar owner is convinced that EVERYONE steals from them. I can't help but think that this could be a marketable service. Have I completely gone off the deep end? Do I spend too much time in front of the computer, frying too many brain cells? Total honesty here, I can take it...Very thick skinned...Sock it to me! __________________ I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN????? We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
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03-10-2005, 01:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
lime-sterman Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 46	Re: An idea for making either money....or enemies. If someone does go in and improve the service, and minimized or stopped the theft, how is that going to maintained when that guy leave's?...........unless you leave someone behind who is as zealous about maintaining that level of service and security, or has time to maintain that level of service and security as the guy who introduced it!.........people being people tend to slip back into old habit's,........a system is only as good as the people using it! Those you get rid of who are suspected of theft and are slack in there dutie's, the new guy's you employ still have to be trained up for the job, it's obviously going to boil down to how much he think's or know's he's losing, and how much he can gain from the service, and how the guy who is offering the service sell's it to them! Questions?
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03-10-2005, 01:33 PM	#3 (permalink)
BabyRider Missin and LOVIN Bullet Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: My own private Hell Posts: 10,069	Re: An idea for making either money....or enemies. OK, so the problem you see is longevity. Good point, and something I hadn't considered. This "idea" is in the mulling over stage right now. I'm hoping for more feedback, but I'm worried that those who know me here think I'm a moron and are afraid of hurting my feelings!! Thanks for the input Lime! __________________ I hope you cherish this sweet way of life, and I hope you know that it comes with a price. ~Darrel Worley~ Bullet's trial was a farce. Can I get an AMEN????? We won't be punished for our sins, but BY them.
Local Time: 09:47 PM Local Date: 11-20-2008

03-10-2005, 05:15 PM	#5 (permalink)
Peg American and Proud Of It! Supporting Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,154	Re: An idea for making either money....or enemies. I worked at a bar where boss was a total moron. His bar manager was ripping him off big time and he knew it. He let her because she slept with him. She'd try to justify taking money for this or that and I'd just tell her if he don't care, why should I. Just don't involve me. I now work at a private veterans organization. There are ways to rip them off, but I don't believe any of us are. I handle all the bookwork and computer work for their gambling so I would catch it because every ticket etc. must be accounted for. Myself, if I owned a bar and felt the need for a service like this, I would have to let go the person/people I did not trust. I would not want people handling my money that I did not have total faith in. I imagine though there is a need for this service for people who don't want to take the time to carefully watch what is really going on. __________________
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03-10-2005, 07:17 PM	#6 (permalink)
A Karenina Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Oregon Posts: 959	Re: An idea for making either money....or enemies. A multi-million dollar idea is never perfect on the first try. So, keep thinking it through, and believe in yourself. Ok, three things off the top of my head. 1) As lime-sterman already mentioned, longevity is important. 2) Cost-effectiveness. If the cost of your service is equal to or more than the cost of the theft, they'll keep the theft. 3) Protecting your idea. How will you handle or control competition which will crop up as soon as your idea proves successful? It'll suck if they have more money to expand than you do. Happens all the time...that cool little correction tape that replaced liquid white-out? Small company started it, made a little bit of money, and then got outfoxed by the bigger players. I don't like big rude foxes. LOL Who would benefit from your idea besides bar owners? Police? LC? what do you think? Insurance companies so long as their is a policy covering theft. The IRS. They love to meddle in the affairs of companies with cash tips. Making solid contacts with bigger fish who would get something out of helping you is a good step towards success as well. Fish and foxes...perhaps it's an Animal Planet night. Now, boldly go forth, keep wrestling with these ideas and even more as they come to you. You know...I once thought of an invention, and I talked about it in public. Two years later some woman was making money by selling a product identical to the one I made up. You just never know. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. Aristotle
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06-07-2005, 03:20 AM	#7 (permalink)
KimmiGirl Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1	Re: An idea for making either money....or enemies. Hmmmm .... why not put all your knowledge and experience onto paper and sell it on the web as an e-book? Or even, why not set up a website for bartenders/owners - you could have free general hints and tips, but could make your money by having a subscribing newsletter/e-zine. Naturally, all the specialised information eg how to look out for people stealing, how to improve service would all be in the subscription newsletter. Sounds like a goer to me. I've just done a Google search on "bartender tips" = 1,200 results and "bar owner tips" = 3 results. Go for it BabyRider! Looks like you are onto a winner!! Let me know if you'd like some internet/web marketing tips.
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06-07-2005, 07:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
valerie Watanya Cecilia Supporting Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 6,358	Re: An idea for making either money....or enemies. Sorry, BR, when I read your post I kept thinking of the movie Road House!!! __________________ Tamsen's Dogster Page http://www.dogster.com/?27525
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06-07-2005, 10:35 PM	#9 (permalink)
spot Ichabod Supporting Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Brigstowe Posts: 16,549	Re: An idea for making either money....or enemies. It's a good idea, BR, think about extend it to hotels. They have even bigger security issues and far more money. If you introduce yourself to the general managers and tell them you'll work for a tenth of what you save them, that ought to catch their attention, hotels or bar owners.
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06-07-2005, 11:33 PM	#10 (permalink)
turbonium Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 640	Re: An idea for making either money....or enemies. Looks like there are some similar consulting services out there - I found a couple on the web - see links bar security nightclub biz Employee theft But - Maybe your idea is different? Or you can market it with more focus on the overall cost benefits.... As a business owner, I can tell you the number one thing to do is... Draw up a business plan - include market appeal & potential market size (survey bar managers), cost-benefit analysis for customers, your profit potential (margins), startup costs, competition analysis, etc. Good luck....
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