No, it's not Nietzsche

[koan]

When one thinks of philosophy, Nietzsche springs to mind and people panick so...I thought I'd start with.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

[Jika]

Yay! we have a brand new philosophy forum.

Nice gentle kick start Koan

I'm going with the chicken b/c for the egg to incubate and hatch, it would need a chicken sitting on it.

[lady cop]

Nah...i would have scrambled it with some nice spring onions. nice new forum Koan!

[koan]

Originally Posted by Jika

I'm going with the chicken b/c for the egg to incubate and hatch, it would need a chicken sitting on it.

I like that idea. (advocate) So many things grow from seed and nature often puts a protective shell around things. If the warmth was provided by climate or the "seed" was burrowed into soft earth it would still be possible.

[Jika]

^ Absolutely it would be possible, however I still find myself leaning towards the chicken.

To back the egg, requires me to minimalise or ignore all the potential environmental dangers posed to the egg which cannot get up and run away like the chicken.

Purely on survival skills I'm suggesting chicken.

[koan]

There is no chicken.( )

The survival theory is good too. But lets expand this. For continuation and survival there would have to be two chickens or two eggs of male and female. Did chickens also have an Adam and Eve?

[anastrophe]

all i have to say on the matter is that Nietzsche is pietzsche.

[Jika]

Of course there is a chicken!

The egg is full of chicken DNA which would strongly suggest it came from the chicken
you deny exists...

The egg had to come from somewhere, just like the chicken right? Which leads me to speculate thus;

The chicken evolved from a reptilian form (It is widely held that most if not all birds were reptiles in the time of the dinosaurs) Reptiles being egg layers too are thought to have evolved from sea-creatures who were originally simple celled organisims. So tracing it back also leads me to vote for the chicken.

Who are these Adam and Eve you speak of ?..............j/k

[koan]

Assuming for a moment that there is a chicken, we are aware that the formation of such a thing takes place inside the protective shell of an egg. If the chicken precedes the egg then the first chickens were different than current chickens and evolved to the egg laying method. If so, then it was not truly a chicken yet and when the evolution happened the modern chicken was "born". Thus the egg precipitates the birth of the new species.

To say that they came from reptiles or another form of bird then includes that species into the question and the origins of the assumed relative becomes part of the question as well.

[chonsigirl]

But reptiles lay eggs-if it is the egg, how do you know you will get a chicken out of it?