I've officially had enough!

anastrophe · 08-23-2004, 01:33 AM

The vietnam war ended 31 years ago. It was a very important part of american history, and i do not by any stretch mean to trivialize it. however, if these idiots who are vying to be/stay president don't stop fighting about this, that, and the other that happened more than 31 years ago, i'm going to vote for Nader, for crying out loud.

This has got to stop. kerry's military service is IRRELEVANT to this election. bush's military service is IRRELEVANT to this election. oh yes, we'll of course hear about how it all goes back to character, yada yada yada. I DON'T CARE. I WANT TO HEAR THE CANDIDATES TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE FACING HERE, NOW, TODAY. what are they going to do about the economy? crime and violence? pollution? terrorism?

right now, all i hear is crap about vietnam. "bush/kerry did/didn't do XYZ 31+ years ago". what an incredible waste of the public trust.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY, GEORGE? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY, JOHN?

sigh. that's my rant for this evening.

Warsai · 08-23-2004, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by anastrophe

The vietnam war ended 31 years ago. It was a very important part of american history, and i do not by any stretch mean to trivialize it. however, if these idiots who are vying to be/stay president don't stop fighting about this, that, and the other that happened more than 31 years ago, i'm going to vote for Nader, for crying out loud.

This has got to stop. kerry's military service is IRRELEVANT to this election. bush's military service is IRRELEVANT to this election. oh yes, we'll of course hear about how it all goes back to character, yada yada yada. I DON'T CARE. I WANT TO HEAR THE CANDIDATES TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE FACING HERE, NOW, TODAY. what are they going to do about the economy? crime and violence? pollution? terrorism?

right now, all i hear is crap about vietnam. "bush/kerry did/didn't do XYZ 31+ years ago". what an incredible waste of the public trust.

WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY, GEORGE? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY, JOHN?

sigh. that's my rant for this evening.

Amen. I applaud your rant. We're all tired of hearing Kerry and Bush talking about something that happened 31 years ago. I don't care if Kerry did or didn't rescue some troops. No one cares about the military service of our candidates as much as they care about the issues. America wants to hear the candidates discuss the issues, not something that happened back in the 70's.

jayboy · 08-23-2004, 11:52 AM

Bravo. In my threads I suggest a constituent organization large enough to be a meaningful voting block. With such an organization we may challenge some of these issues. Could we start such a group? The money used in campaigning is sinful and should be corrected not to mention the end of our way of life. Could this expense be laundering?

gmc · 08-31-2004, 03:11 PM

speaking as an outsider there are some similarities to the time of the vietnam war and what is happening today in that anyone criticising the vietnam war was condemned as unpatriotic and unamerican just as those who oppose the iraq war are pilloried the same way now. real debate was stifled and it was only after much death on both sides that dissenting voices started to be listened to about vietnam. It was almost as if people didn't want to think about it. It looks much the same now those who dissent get shouted down rather than answered. I remember watching kent state on TV and listening to those who reckoned it was justified to shoot demonstrators because they are unamerican. I hope youv'e moved on from those kind of attitudes.

plazul · 08-31-2004, 05:31 PM

Americans on both sides are worried that Iraq will become a quagmire like Viet Nam. The President just admitted yesterday that he "miscalculated" the post war resistance and called the war a "catastrophic success."

I certainly don't want to cut and run now that Saddam is deposed and there is least a hope of establishing a democratic republic in Iraq. I opposed the war but I don't want the American blood that was shed to be wasted by allowing a dictatorial theocracy to take hold. Nor do I want to see a plutocracy of propped up elitists in power who live like royalty by exploiting Iraq's resources for personal gain and oppress all political dissent. That's why we must defeat Bush and his corporate sponsors.

08-23-2004, 01:33 AM	#1 (permalink)
anastrophe Catnip, Stat! Supporting Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sonoma County, California, United States of America Posts: 3,026	I've officially had enough! The vietnam war ended 31 years ago. It was a very important part of american history, and i do not by any stretch mean to trivialize it. however, if these idiots who are vying to be/stay president don't stop fighting about this, that, and the other that happened more than 31 years ago, i'm going to vote for Nader, for crying out loud. This has got to stop. kerry's military service is IRRELEVANT to this election. bush's military service is IRRELEVANT to this election. oh yes, we'll of course hear about how it all goes back to character, yada yada yada. I DON'T CARE. I WANT TO HEAR THE CANDIDATES TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE FACING HERE, NOW, TODAY. what are they going to do about the economy? crime and violence? pollution? terrorism? right now, all i hear is crap about vietnam. "bush/kerry did/didn't do XYZ 31+ years ago". what an incredible waste of the public trust. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY, GEORGE? WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR US LATELY, JOHN? sigh. that's my rant for this evening.
Local Time: 07:37 AM Local Date: 12-02-2008

08-23-2004, 11:52 AM	#3 (permalink)
jayboy Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 60	Re: I've officially had enough! Bravo. In my threads I suggest a constituent organization large enough to be a meaningful voting block. With such an organization we may challenge some of these issues. Could we start such a group? The money used in campaigning is sinful and should be corrected not to mention the end of our way of life. Could this expense be laundering?
Local Time: 09:37 AM Local Date: 12-02-2008

08-31-2004, 03:11 PM	#4 (permalink)
gmc Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,625	Re: I've officially had enough! speaking as an outsider there are some similarities to the time of the vietnam war and what is happening today in that anyone criticising the vietnam war was condemned as unpatriotic and unamerican just as those who oppose the iraq war are pilloried the same way now. real debate was stifled and it was only after much death on both sides that dissenting voices started to be listened to about vietnam. It was almost as if people didn't want to think about it. It looks much the same now those who dissent get shouted down rather than answered. I remember watching kent state on TV and listening to those who reckoned it was justified to shoot demonstrators because they are unamerican. I hope youv'e moved on from those kind of attitudes.
Local Time: 02:37 PM Local Date: 12-02-2008

08-31-2004, 05:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
plazul Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 609	Re: I've officially had enough! Americans on both sides are worried that Iraq will become a quagmire like Viet Nam. The President just admitted yesterday that he "miscalculated" the post war resistance and called the war a "catastrophic success." I certainly don't want to cut and run now that Saddam is deposed and there is least a hope of establishing a democratic republic in Iraq. I opposed the war but I don't want the American blood that was shed to be wasted by allowing a dictatorial theocracy to take hold. Nor do I want to see a plutocracy of propped up elitists in power who live like royalty by exploiting Iraq's resources for personal gain and oppress all political dissent. That's why we must defeat Bush and his corporate sponsors.
Local Time: 09:37 AM Local Date: 12-02-2008

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