What is Freedom?

koan · 05-22-2005, 04:47 AM

Since buzz brought it up.

I responded that it is a state of mind. I think that the only place we can know true freedom is in our minds...but that is not so easily attained either.

capt_buzzard · 05-22-2005, 05:01 AM

In Ireland, Freedom is worth killing for, or to die for.http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com

Read the Path to Freedom

beyelzu · 05-22-2005, 05:07 AM

freedom is being allowed to do what we want to so long as it does not harm others and we fulfill our societal obligations to others.

In short freedom is really hard to measure.

koan · 05-22-2005, 05:07 AM

but what IS it, buzz?

koan · 05-22-2005, 05:09 AM

There are many who do not feel they can say what they want or do what they want, yet their society does not repress them. So are they free?

capt_buzzard · 05-22-2005, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koan

but what IS it, buzz?

posted above

beyelzu · 05-22-2005, 05:16 AM

yes and no,

I was thinking of freedom from a government perspective. but I am inclined to think that people who are members of repressive cultures really arent free. think burqas and female circumcision.

the weird thing is that it can be necessary to restrict freedom to promote it. thin the ban of religious attire in french state schools. or the ban on religious declarations in us schools by faculty, in order to maintain separation of church and state.

beyelzu · 05-22-2005, 05:17 AM

my yes and no are in response to koan, not capitan.

capt_buzzard · 05-22-2005, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beyelzu

yes and no,

I was thinking of freedom from a government perspective. but I am inclined to think that people who are members of repressive cultures really arent free. think burqas and female circumcision.

the weird thing is that it can be necessary to restrict freedom to promote it. thin the ban of religious attire in french state schools. or the ban on religious declarations in us schools by faculty, in order to maintain separation of church and state.

They only banned Islamic attire

koan · 05-22-2005, 05:22 AM

so it's worth fighting for something that can't be defined?

Quote:

exercising their simple right to live and to govern themselves as they pleased

this was the first description I could find in your link, buzz. still there are people in countries that are governed as they like that do not feel the freedom to say or do what they want. It's a nice start though. Despite the immediate reference you have to the battle of your country, there is the bigger, philosophical question.

05-22-2005, 04:47 AM	#1 (permalink)
koan anomaly Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 12,692	What is Freedom? Since buzz brought it up. I responded that it is a state of mind. I think that the only place we can know true freedom is in our minds...but that is not so easily attained either. __________________ Having the right to an opinion does not make your opinion right.
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capt_buzzard All Human Life Is Here... Supporting Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ireland Posts: 5,807	Re: What is Freedom? In Ireland, Freedom is worth killing for, or to die for.http://www.generalmichaelcollins.com Read the Path to Freedom
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beyelzu Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 65	Re: What is Freedom? freedom is being allowed to do what we want to so long as it does not harm others and we fulfill our societal obligations to others. In short freedom is really hard to measure.
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koan anomaly Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 12,692	Re: What is Freedom? but what IS it, buzz? __________________ Having the right to an opinion does not make your opinion right.
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05-22-2005, 05:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
koan anomaly Supporting Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 12,692	Re: What is Freedom? There are many who do not feel they can say what they want or do what they want, yet their society does not repress them. So are they free? __________________ Having the right to an opinion does not make your opinion right.
Local Time: 10:04 PM Local Date: 12-01-2008

05-22-2005, 05:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
beyelzu Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 65	Re: What is Freedom? yes and no, I was thinking of freedom from a government perspective. but I am inclined to think that people who are members of repressive cultures really arent free. think burqas and female circumcision. the weird thing is that it can be necessary to restrict freedom to promote it. thin the ban of religious attire in french state schools. or the ban on religious declarations in us schools by faculty, in order to maintain separation of church and state.
Local Time: 11:04 PM Local Date: 12-01-2008

05-22-2005, 05:17 AM	#8 (permalink)
beyelzu Member Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 65	Re: What is Freedom? my yes and no are in response to koan, not capitan.
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