Have you signed over your parental rights today?

[nvalleyvee]

OMG -- I was watching Montel Williams this AM and found he was debasing, denigrating and just in general saying this organization is morally WRONG, an organization who's parent company is WWASP (based in Utah). I was horrified. They ask parents to sign over their parental rights so the WWASPaffiliates can send these teens out of country to a "supposed" rehabilitation facility. The parents have SIGNED OVER THEIR PARENTAL RIGHTS and for that privilage have to pay $3,000 to $5,000 a month. The parents are required to pay a further $2,000 - $3,000 a month to go to counseling sessions even though they CANNOT see their child during this time. There SEEMS to be NO COUNSELING and very LITTLE EDUCATION. It looks as though the teens are subjected to - what I would call isolation and torture.



For a better look at this organization go to this site.

www.wwasp.com

If you want to be scared - look at this:

Tranquility Bay, under the wwasp umbrella, advertises its programs in a variety of fashions. They have created a network of websites and "informational" media that has been widely distributed. These websites make claims which are dubious at best. Below you will find true information regarding wwasp's and Tranquility Bay's claims.
http://tbfight.com/

Tranquility Bay
Report

Prepared by the International Survivors Action Committee
http://www.isaccorp.org/tranquility/...lityreport.pdf

[spot]

The children can still report abuse or criminal mistreatment when they are returned to the USA, and it will still be investigated. The signed-away parental rights are to set the atmosphere for the rehabilitation - it prevents the parents from withdrawing half-way though from motives of misplaced affection. It doesn't permit criminal behavior.

[Peg]

The children can still report abuse or criminal mistreatment when they are returned to the USA, and it will still be investigated.

It should not happen in the first place! Once they are abused, it's too late.

As for signing over parental rights, no way in hell would I ever do that; not to anyone for any reason.

[spot]

Originally Posted by Peg

It should not happen in the first place! Once they are abused, it's too late.

I agree entirely, Peg. What evidence have you that it occurs at all? Nobody can prosecute before an offense is committed, that's plain. I don't think there have been any prosecutions, even though they could be brought if there were abuse. Don't you think that suggests that there's no abuse?

[koan]

I'm interested to see how many people who are pro death penalty are against this program. If we are talking about kids who are beyond control and becoming delinquents...is this not better than killing them later?

I am anti DP and anti parents not being able to instill proper values in their own kids. But some people don't have the tools. It is all very sad.

[nvalleyvee]

Originally Posted by spot

The children can still report abuse or criminal mistreatment when they are returned to the USA, and it will still be investigated. The signed-away parental rights are to set the atmosphere for the rehabilitation - it prevents the parents from withdrawing half-way though from motives of misplaced affection. It doesn't permit criminal behavior.

The whole premise of the program is that the kids are liars, cheaters, whores, drug addicts and sometimes just TEENAGERS. Why don't these parents quit thinking about their jobs long enough to think about their children!! These parents want to rid themselves of "problem children" . These children are not Problems - they are begging for some parental control ------ ie - tough love -- not a friend in their parent. Go figure.

[john8pies]

Personally, I am astonished that such a practice is even legal!

[Tombstone]

Originally Posted by nvalleyvee

OMG -- I was watching Montel Williams this AM and found he was debasing, denigrating and just in general saying this organization is morally WRONG, an organization who's parent company is WWASP (based in Utah). I was horrified. They ask parents to sign over their parental rights so the WWASPaffiliates can send these teens out of country to a "supposed" rehabilitation facility. The parents have SIGNED OVER THEIR PARENTAL RIGHTS and for that privilege have to pay $3,000 to $5,000 a month. The parents are required to pay a further $2,000 - $3,000 a month to go to counseling sessions even though they CANNOT see their child during this time. There SEEMS to be NO COUNSELING and very LITTLE EDUCATION. It looks as though the teens are subjected to - what I would call isolation and torture.

One of these facilities was highlighted on a Fox (?) show this year. I think it was called "Brat Camp". They were UK kids who were sent out into the Utah wilderness.

I would submit (as we have talked about on other threads) that these kids did not really have parents. The parents were sad sad specimens. They really couldn't give up their parental rights since they didn't exercise any kind of parental rights when the kids were at home! Drugs, sex, crimes, beatings, etc. These parents just looked glassy-eyed into the cameras and said, "I don't know what to do - I'm afraid of my child."

These programs work. They define boundaries. These are real boundaries that the kids in these camps face for the first time in their lives. If they break the rules, they must face the consequences - consequences that are explicitly stated before the program begins.

[Tombstone]

Better in a brat camp than in jail - which is where many of them will end up unless they can get back on the right track.

[abbey]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

Better in a brat camp than in jail - which is where many of them will end up unless they can get back on the right track.

Here-Here, or dead in some filthy squat from a heroin overdose!