Is the US President wrong on Global Warming?

[FJBear]

Being European, and watching the US president - during the last 4 years - deny the existence of global warming and that it is man-made, makes me quite upset.

If the US - being the worlds biggest carbon polluter - can not help take responsibility for the mess the world is in, but is focused on profit and economy at all times, then there is no hope for the planet, and there will be no earth left for anyone to make a quick buck from - not even the US.

How does anyone else feel about this issue, I am particularly interested in what US based FG visitors think.

[BTS]

Originally Posted by FJBear

Being European, and watching the US president - during the last 4 years - deny the existence of global warming and that it is man-made, makes me quite upset.

If the US - being the worlds biggest carbon polluter - can not help take responsibility for the mess the world is in, but is focused on profit and economy at all times, then there is no hope for the planet, and there will be no earth left for anyone to make a quick buck from - not even the US.

How does anyone else feel about this issue, I am particularly interested in what US based FG visitors think.

I wouldn't call it "Global Warming" I would call it "Weather"

[February_Stormz]

I don't think President Bush can deny there is global warming now that there is proof from the space shuttle pics and the astronauts who were able to view it.

I recently read a statement made from one of the astronauts that the earths atmosphere looks like an egg shell on an egg shell. There is definite proof of damage to the earths atmosphere.

We have a freon and appliance removal business so I am well aware of the dangers to the ozone and global warming. It is against the law to vent freon and if caught is punishable by a large fine plus prison time. I still come across appliance lines that have been cut to drain freon because the owner doesn't want to pay added expenses for the proper removal. There are many rules and regulations that need to be strictly enforced to prevent venting.

I recently signed a petition to fight global warming. Maybe if we all take a stand against this issue in large numbers, maybe then, President Bush will become more serious.

[Accountable]

Didn't scientists say the globe was cooling because of the blanket of polution back in the 60's?

Personally I've gotten so used to the US being blamed for absolutely everything in the world, that I don't even listen to it anymore. I tune it out. Don't even bother participating in a discussion on the issue, because the purpose never ends up being about the actual stated issue, it ends up being about US bashing again...

And on that note...you have a great day!

[BTS]

FJBear:
When you say carbon. Are you referring to CO2?
What is the proof that CO2 causes global warming?
Why is it that CO2 lags behind Antarctic warming by about 200 to 800 years?

There is no question that the earth is getting warmer, but a recent study of iceberg debris on the floor of the North Atlantic shows this happens naturally every 1500 years or so, in a cycle that coincides with a known cycle in the magnetic activity of the sun. (That study was led by Dr. Gerard Bond, of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, NY, and published in Science on Nov. 16, 2001.)
If the warming is natural, we won't be able to stop it no matter how heavily we tax energy, nor how many lives we sacrifice to (1) heat stroke (no summer air conditioning), (2) cold stress due to the high cost of furnace fuel, and (3) food shortages (restricting natural gas for fertilizer production). Nor how many lives we sacrifice to continuing poverty in a Third World that won't be able to afford any energy except wood from its shrinking forests.

[Clint]

If insects had newspapers the front page headline would be the same every fall. “Global Cooling Ending Life As We Know It�.

[FJBear]

Originally Posted by BTS

I wouldn't call it "Global Warming" I would call it "Weather"

Not sure that I understand the point you are making?

[FJBear]

Originally Posted by BTS

FJBear:
When you say carbon. Are you referring to CO2?
What is the proof that CO2 causes global warming?
Why is it that CO2 lags behind Antarctic warming by about 200 to 800 years?

There is no question that the earth is getting warmer, but a recent study of iceberg debris on the floor of the North Atlantic shows this happens naturally every 1500 years or so, in a cycle that coincides with a known cycle in the magnetic activity of the sun. (That study was led by Dr. Gerard Bond, of the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory in Palisades, NY, and published in Science on Nov. 16, 2001.)
If the warming is natural, we won't be able to stop it no matter how heavily we tax energy, nor how many lives we sacrifice to (1) heat stroke (no summer air conditioning), (2) cold stress due to the high cost of furnace fuel, and (3) food shortages (restricting natural gas for fertilizer production). Nor how many lives we sacrifice to continuing poverty in a Third World that won't be able to afford any energy except wood from its shrinking forests.

'Carbon' is a generic, scientific term used to describe all greenhouse gases converted by their Global Warming Potential (GWP) and expressed in a Carbon walue for a country. Currently 6 greenhouse gases exist and each of these can be converted to a carbon value for each country on the planet - hence, allowing scientists to compare apples with apples.

On the 8th June 2005, the leading scientists for the G8 nations along with those of Brazil, China and India isues a joint statement to the G8 leaders that GW is a fact, that it is man-made and that we need to act now to avoid the real dangers that is waiting for the planet. The statement can be found on most news web-sites in the archives. This is an un-parallelled statement by the scientific community and good enough for me that someting is not right e.g. if there was not a problem, why would all these scientific brains bother talking about it!!!

[Accountable]

FJBear, when I saw GW in your post, my mind went to GW Bush.

President Global Warming Bush.