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[Spike101]

Maybe I like Spike's answers better. He doesn't seem to have a chip on his shoulder.

Im not here to bust anyones b@ll$...What Im giving out is what I know of on this subject through living it and being aware of my surroundings. Its purely informational stuff. Some might take offense at some of the things Im saying concerning M/C culture and how things roll in it, but its not meant to offend, just to tell it how it is. Dont shoot the messenger. Its not a lifestyle for everyone and people who try to change it do not succeed nor do they last long in it...it is what it is...its certainly not a hobby.

[BabyRider]

Originally Posted by Spike101

The proper term is "citizen", as opposed to "civilian". A patch holder's OL is still a citizen as well. She has not earned a patch in an M/C. She cannot vote, she cannot be in meetings, and her OM isnt supposed to discuss club biz with her. Only PH's of that Club can do these things. If someone cannot, its because they are a citizen. There is no in between.

Hell, that's the first time I have been told that. It makes sense now that I think about it, and I won't use that reference again. Thanks for the continued educating, Spike!

[Spike101]

Originally Posted by buttercup

Hi, can i just say that being a member of a MC is different wherever you go & patches mean different things in different countries & different clubs.
Its great that BR can share with us her experiences of her group & their ways & what the patch system to them means, thanks
Here in Scotland for example - some groups property patch has a twofold meaning, you can be (a) property of 1 member or (b) property of the group - meaning all can have you, just thought i would clarify that.

Here in the States it "can" have that meaning as well, but that is pretty rare and hardly the norm...normally it means what I alluded to in a prior post...like I also said, its the woman's choice. No one is holding her prisoner.

[Spike101]

Originally Posted by BabyRider

Hell, that's the first time I have been told that. It makes sense now that I think about it, and I won't use that reference again. Thanks for the continued educating, Spike!

I should have included that there is a "in between" of a sort. A Prospect or Probate, while not a PH yet (and may never be) wouldnt be reguarded as a "citizen" in the traditional sense. While they normally cant attend meetings and club biz is very limited to them, they fall in that gray area between citizen and full patch. They do hold an official status in that club.

[buttercup]

Originally Posted by Spike101

Here in the States it "can" have that meaning as well, but that is pretty rare and hardly the norm...normally it means what I alluded to in a prior post...like I also said, its the woman's choice. No one is holding her prisoner.

Im well aware of that & for those that dont know these women enter into this 'property of all' quite happily.

I lived next door to the president of one of our local MC's, we enjoyed many good debates, one of which was the whole property issue. He looked at me astonished & said - are you insinuating that because ive been with them i dont love my wife?
This guy was deadly serious, for me - how the hell could i continue that conversation we agreed to disagree & enjoyed many debates on many occasions afterwards, takes all kinds

[Spike101]

Originally Posted by buttercup

Im well aware of that & for those that dont know these women enter into this 'property of all' quite happily.

I lived next door to the president of one of our local MC's, we enjoyed many good debates, one of which was the whole property issue. He looked at me astonished & said - are you insinuating that because ive been with them i dont love my wife?
This guy was deadly serious, for me - how the hell could i continue that conversation we agreed to disagree & enjoyed many debates on many occasions afterwards, takes all kinds

Im surprised he debated that issue or any other with you. What they do is pretty much their biz...around here public scrutiny of such things would be greeted by "mind your own business", and if you didnt, they would find your old man and take it out on him till you did...LOL

[buttercup]

That would be because you dont know me Spike

[Spike101]

Originally Posted by buttercup

That would be because you dont know me Spike

...and also perhaps because the customs in your neck of the woods may be a bit different than here...that wouldnt fly very far in these parts...that isnt speculation...

[buttercup]

Well i believe that was the point i was making earlier when i said - patches mean different things in different countries & clubs. How disappointing that your club does not respect or debate others points of views.
You do not know my history & therefore should not presume you do

[Spike101]

Originally Posted by lady cop

Spike...re: LEOs...did you read my post (#25)? NO generalization is 100% accurate.

I disagree with your post. Most M/C's and cops do not get along. Most clubhouses are private clubs and the PO PO are not welcome. Cop clubs (the slap a patch ones that dont follow time honored traditions) try to mix with other "real" M/C's (ones that followed the rules in establishing their club) at open biker events and find that the other clubs "turn their backs" to them (the ultimate sign of disrespect). Either that, or they just scatter rather than have to speak with them. What you are speaking of is the exception rather than the norm...there are many reasons why this occurs...