the A.A GRUMPY COLUMN police to ignore public sex

[oscar]

Originally Posted by spot

I must get this image out of my head that I'm discussing things with Mary Whitehouse. It's just the you write exactly like her.

I write like Mary Whitehouse?? Well, i suppose that's a compliment really as the daft old bat was at least educated.

I think you have age issue's here Spot. As i could tell the first time we were introduced so rudely
We are not all members of the W.I. making jam and tutting at people. Good heavens man, I have toured with those Stranglers since the 70's. I have seen everything, including things i didn't want to see. If you have five minutes, please google.. Jean Jaques Burnel, my hero.

My contribution to local council has been described as diverse and putting a completely different slant on their meetings.

We must never judge books by their covers Spot. talking of image's, i always have this image that i am discussing issue's with an old wizzened, grey haired man, inventing gadgets in his spare time.

[spot]

Here...

Elsewhere in Bristol, blue plaques memorialise the achievements of the usual establishment figures: former foreign secretary Ernest Bevin, Sir Allen Lane, founder of Penguin books, and the actor Michael Redgrave. On the side of the Stoke Road bogs, however, official recognition has been given this week to a woman who spent her life dispensing kindness far from the light of public approval. Victoria Hughes, lavatory attendent, excelled for 33 years in a small corner of the ladies' toilets, boiling tea, eating sandwiches and, when the need arose, comforting prostitutes who sought refuge in her workplace. Tired, cold, occasionally roughed up, the ladies of the night - as they were called in Hughes' day - were welcomed in for a sit down and a chat. She invariably made them tea.

The fact that Hughes, who died in 1978 aged 81, came to be recognised by Bristol city council, is down to the excellent work of Dawn Dyer, a librarian and author of 100 Women of Bristol. When Dyer was researching her book, she remembered an obscure memoir that had passed across the library counter some years before entitled Ladies' Mile. It was printed by a small publishing house named Abson Books and chronicled the life of an "ordinary working-class woman" who, over three decades in the Downs public toilets, had encountered legions of the city's women whose stories would never ordinarily have been told. "That particular toilet," says Dyer, "was considered prestigious because it was in a refined part of town, up on the Downs. But during the depression years, it got darker and became an area for working girls."

Hughes, who had two children, was initially shocked by the needs of her visitors, but soon acclimatised and became akin almost to a social worker to them. Dyer suggested her as a candidate for a blue plaque and, after borrowing the dog-eared memoir from the library, the city council agreed. Hughes's one surviving daughter, Barbara, attended the unveiling this week and said her mother, an unassuming woman, would have been touched but embarrassed. The plaque reads: "Victoria Hughes, 1897-1978, who befriended and cared for prostitutes when she worked here as a lavatory attendant."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardia...features11.g21

[oscar]

Originally Posted by spot

Here...

Elsewhere in Bristol, blue plaques memorialise the achievements of the usual establishment figures: former foreign secretary Ernest Bevin, Sir Allen Lane, founder of Penguin books, and the actor Michael Redgrave. On the side of the Stoke Road bogs, however, official recognition has been given this week to a woman who spent her life dispensing kindness far from the light of public approval. Victoria Hughes, lavatory attendent, excelled for 33 years in a small corner of the ladies' toilets, boiling tea, eating sandwiches and, when the need arose, comforting prostitutes who sought refuge in her workplace. Tired, cold, occasionally roughed up, the ladies of the night - as they were called in Hughes' day - were welcomed in for a sit down and a chat. She invariably made them tea.

The fact that Hughes, who died in 1978 aged 81, came to be recognised by Bristol city council, is down to the excellent work of Dawn Dyer, a librarian and author of 100 Women of Bristol. When Dyer was researching her book, she remembered an obscure memoir that had passed across the library counter some years before entitled Ladies' Mile. It was printed by a small publishing house named Abson Books and chronicled the life of an "ordinary working-class woman" who, over three decades in the Downs public toilets, had encountered legions of the city's women whose stories would never ordinarily have been told. "That particular toilet," says Dyer, "was considered prestigious because it was in a refined part of town, up on the Downs. But during the depression years, it got darker and became an area for working girls."

Hughes, who had two children, was initially shocked by the needs of her visitors, but soon acclimatised and became akin almost to a social worker to them. Dyer suggested her as a candidate for a blue plaque and, after borrowing the dog-eared memoir from the library, the city council agreed. Hughes's one surviving daughter, Barbara, attended the unveiling this week and said her mother, an unassuming woman, would have been touched but embarrassed. The plaque reads: "Victoria Hughes, 1897-1978, who befriended and cared for prostitutes when she worked here as a lavatory attendant."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardia...features11.g21

Stoke Road may be worth a trip to have a look.
33 years is a heck of a time.
What a shame that we don't have similar in the Fishponds Road for all those young girls?
I used to come back from town via the Fishponds Road area quite late at night in winter weather and see those girls standing on the corners. They still get pillored by society, cafe owners etc won't let them in.
Very interesting Spot. thankyou for linking that for me.

[spot]

Originally Posted by fuzzy butt

Essentially what this Chief constable is suggesting is stopping lines of enquiries of criminal offences and acts where police find most of their known criminals engaging in criminal acts.

What part of "It's legal to engage in sex in a public place" have you failed to grasp?

[oscar]

Originally Posted by spot

What part of "It's legal to engage in sex in a public place" have you failed to grasp?

So the Chief Constable is saying 'known criminals' engaging in sex in public?

So, if they are 'known' to freqent particular haunts to engage in outdoor sex with casual aquaintences, the police are now saying "Let's leave them to it", in other words.

You'll have to indulge me Spot, i am very tired and not concentrating on full beam here, but if it was legal to engage in sex in a public place, then why has plod been collaring them for years?

[qsducks]

Did you get the email Oscar?

[spot]

Originally Posted by oscar

So the Chief Constable is saying 'known criminals' engaging in sex in public?

Not as far as I'm aware. I think Fuzzy's just getting overenthusiastic again.

[spot]

Originally Posted by oscar

if it was legal to engage in sex in a public place, then why has plod been collaring them for years?

Because Plod is a toerag and, observing the exposure, chooses to be virginal and claims to be personally offended, thereby transforming the occasion into one of legal sin. Were Plod to be honestly amused instead then it would remain legal. It's entirely down to what Plod chooses to claim is his or her personal reaction.

It's a common law offence of "outraging public decency" if and only if you're seen by someone who takes offence. It's Plod's choice, once he's seen the behaviour, to react in whatever way he or she sees fit. Plod has been collaring them for years because Plod is a bastard and enjoys screwing up the lives of citizens whenever the opportunity arises.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by qsducks

Did you get the email Oscar?

Sorry ducks, i can't tell yet. Mr Oscar is asleep in the dark in the room where my p.c. is, so i'm on his in another room. If i go in there and wake him too early, it's 06.35 a.m. here, i shall get a severe drubbing.
He should be up soon to fetch his wench er breakfast and cawfee, so as soon as the old grump is up, i shall nip in there and e mail you right back.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by spot

Because Plod is a toerag and, observing the exposure, chooses to be virginal and claims to be personally offended, thereby transforming the occasion into one of legal sin. Were Plod to be honestly amused instead then it would remain legal. It's entirely down to what Plod chooses to claim is his or her personal reaction.

It's a common law offence of "outraging public decency" if and only if you're seen by someone who takes offence. It's Plod's choice, once he's seen the behaviour, to react in whatever way he or she sees fit. Plod has been collaring them for years because Plod is a bastard and enjoys screwing up the lives of citizens whenever the opportunity arises.

Ah, grasshoper finally see's dispite the insomnia.

So, it's not an illegal offence to have sex in public, only if it is to the offence of another member of the public. So if plod chooses to be offended, he can then arrest them.

What happens if, a member of the public happens upon people engaged in sex outdoors, is offended, calls the police and plod refuses to nick them? What about the member of the public who has been offended?
I can't imagine a scenario like that never having happened, so, it is a law, only when plod see's fit?

We know plod is a bastard screwing up citizens lives when ever the opportunity arises. Tell me yoda, what is your take on this, just out of interest.
I hear about a case very likely to be broken in the gutter press around Christmas.
During a trial, an arresting officer had their mother in court for four days with them. When the verdict was read out, the arressting officer and their mother who was in the public gallery having finished giving their evidence, jumped up, punched the air and shouted Yes, to the horror of everyone else in there. The judge was still in his chair and so was the clerk to the court. the judge said nothing. the lawyer was correctly quoted by said gutter press saying that to see such a spectacle by a police officer was utterly contemptous.
Your brief thought on that one Yoda? We will just have to be patient and see what the gutter snipes report.