Joseph: A great dad!

[mikeinie]

I always felt sorry for poor old Joseph. The Bible and history really short changed this guy.
Here you have a man who was to be married to his young bride Mary, who turns out to be pregnant before they even marry, (in a day when she probably would have been stoned to death for it). Then he has to accept that this is a ‘miracle’ and his kid was going to be the messiah?

So he marries her and heads off on a long journey bringing a pregnant woman through pretty much a desert on the back of a donkey. (Fun? Nothing I would try)

Then after the birth of his son, they need to flee to another land because his son’s life is in danger, leaving behind him everything he knew. He raises his son teaching him his skills of carpentry.

Now think about that, any of you fathers out there who spend time with your sons teaching them your trade or skills. The amount of time that they must have spent together, talking, laughing, learning arguing, and just hanging out. How much of Joseph’s opinions influenced Jesus in his later years?

Yet, we here nothing about him, who he was, what happened to him.
Mary gets the ‘Assumption’ into heaven, poor old Joseph doesn’t get a mention even when he died. Lazarus was brought back from the dead, but Joseph doesn’t, not a word. A great man, a great Father, and not even a mention of him.
I am with you Joseph…

hhhmm I don't believe the assumption thingy, I'm afraid .

Joseph was not left out of the loop .............He was a good man even to the point where to save Mary from being stoned he planned to break the union off secretly. It was he that was given the dream and told not to be afraid, to marry Mary and it was he that was given the dream to flee to Egypt after the decree from herod that all boys under the age of two were to be slaughtered in Bethlahem.

The fact that he took Mary to Bethlehem in the first place was because he was also lawful. the census . In that day it would also would have been to put down any whispering about Mary and his Union. He was registering as a married man.

The part of the scripture entailing the early life of Jesus is highly condensed. But he had a good life and also fathered Joseph, Judas, Simon and james as well as daughters. In his day that's pretty darn blessed. He would also have been included in Jesus upbringing teaching him his own trade. nad the account of Jesus going missing and ending up at the temple only emphasizes that both Mary and Joseph taught him well.

Three cheers for Joseph and any man today that takes on an adopted child to save any woman from danger or humiliation.

[gmc]

Originally Posted by mikeinie

I always felt sorry for poor old Joseph. The Bible and history really short changed this guy.
Here you have a man who was to be married to his young bride Mary, who turns out to be pregnant before they even marry, (in a day when she probably would have been stoned to death for it). Then he has to accept that this is a ‘miracle’ and his kid was going to be the messiah?

So he marries her and heads off on a long journey bringing a pregnant woman through pretty much a desert on the back of a donkey. (Fun? Nothing I would try)

Then after the birth of his son, they need to flee to another land because his son’s life is in danger, leaving behind him everything he knew. He raises his son teaching him his skills of carpentry.

Now think about that, any of you fathers out there who spend time with your sons teaching them your trade or skills. The amount of time that they must have spent together, talking, laughing, learning arguing, and just hanging out. How much of Joseph’s opinions influenced Jesus in his later years?

Yet, we here nothing about him, who he was, what happened to him.
Mary gets the ‘Assumption’ into heaven, poor old Joseph doesn’t get a mention even when he died. Lazarus was brought back from the dead, but Joseph doesn’t, not a word. A great man, a great Father, and not even a mention of him.
I am with you Joseph…

You're assuming it's a true story rather than one made up. The whole story is ridiculous and yet anyone that points this out is expected not to say anything in case it offends someone's religious beliefs! It's about time that religious belief ceased being given special consideration. Respect, yes, but to have religions pontificating on how others should live their lives and what can and cannot be spoken of or what types of lifestyle are acceptable for others to follow is ridiculous in this day and age. Bigotry, sectarianism and intolerance belong in the dark ages along with their religious justification.

gosh and here i was thinking of what a good man Joseph was......OH well all is lost now because some dumb-arse doesn't want to see the message in it . sad really
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I often put myself in the shoes of one in history like Joseph. I try to learn about the times and wonder just what it meant to do his job and be him in the everydaylife of Bethleham in the day in which he lived. Its just an interesting way to attempt to understand this person.

Its ture there is very little written about Joseph in scripture but it doesnt prevent us from filling in the blanks with humanity and what the bible says about his character.

What an honor to be intrusted with the care of the human-God savior! Can you imagine an easier child to raise?

Or can you put yourself in the shoes of Joseph as he taught his son the trade in which he worked? I cant imagine a carpenter that did all the physical work then manually as a small slight man, but a robust strong man. I can imagine them having a morning break together and talking about everyday stuff, like where to get the best wood, or to hear Joseph tell Jesus about his human history and how when he was his age he won a foot race...

It boggles my mind sometimes that we see the bible as just what is written and not fill in what could have been, it doesnt change the message, it sheds more light on our humanity.

And GMC buddy... ahahahahaha not true? are you kidding?

[WonderWendy3]

Originally Posted by magenta flame

hhhmm I don't believe the assumption thingy, I'm afraid .

Joseph was not left out of the loop .............He was a good man even to the point where to save Mary from being stoned he planned to break the union off secretly. It was he that was given the dream and told not to be afraid, to marry Mary and it was he that was given the dream to flee to Egypt after the decree from herod that all boys under the age of two were to be slaughtered in Bethlahem.

The fact that he took Mary to Bethlehem in the first place was because he was also lawful. the census . In that day it would also would have been to put down any whispering about Mary and his Union. He was registering as a married man.

The part of the scripture entailing the early life of Jesus is highly condensed. But he had a good life and also fathered Joseph, Judas, Simon and james as well as daughters. In his day that's pretty darn blessed. He would also have been included in Jesus upbringing teaching him his own trade. nad the account of Jesus going missing and ending up at the temple only emphasizes that both Mary and Joseph taught him well.

Three cheers for Joseph and any man today that takes on an adopted child to save any woman from danger or humiliation.

Awesome thread! and how true it is. I always picture Joseph teaching Jesus carpentry, but there was so much more to the man. It would be nice if men were more like him in today's world, he was very dedicated to his family. I'm not saying that there aren't....just would be nice to see Men that truly love God and their families.

Originally Posted by gmc

You're assuming it's a true story rather than one made up. The whole story is ridiculous and yet anyone that points this out is expected not to say anything in case it offends someone's religious beliefs! It's about time that religious belief ceased being given special consideration. Respect, yes, but to have religions pontificating on how others should live their lives and what can and cannot be spoken of or what types of lifestyle are acceptable for others to follow is ridiculous in this day and age. Bigotry, sectarianism and intolerance belong in the dark ages along with their religious justification.

Oh man... hey bud, if years from now someone said hey there was this kid, kinda funny lookin he was born in XXX and he was raised in XXX and he used to post some wild stuff as GMC in a place called forum garden... he was a good old dude!

And then someone else came up and said 'nuh-uh, that was all a lie'

Does it make it a lie?

And furthermore, I'm gonna bash you a bit bud... (politely of course) Yer a good man, you speak up well for yourself and I often have to say in the back of my mind 'heck he's got a point'.. and usually you do.

But...

Why did you choose this thread to speak back?

This was about one single persons opinion about a person written about in the bible, it wasn't a challenge for others to believe it or else... it was just someone expressing their opinion about this person being a good father.

Shame on you bud, lighten up. Before your seen as one who pushes your sectarianism on others.

You preacher you!

[WonderWendy3]

Originally Posted by Far Rider

Oh man... hey bud, if years from now someone said hey there was this kid, kinda funny lookin he was born in XXX and he was raised in XXX and he used to post some wild stuff as GMC in a place called forum garden... he was a good old dude!

And then someone else came up and said 'nuh-uh, that was all a lie'

Does it make it a lie?

And furthermore, I'm gonna bash you a bit bud... (politely of course) Yer a good man, you speak up well for yourself and I often have to say in the back of my mind 'heck he's got a point'.. and usually you do.

But...

Why did you choose this thread to speak back?

This was about one single persons opinion about a person written about in the bible, it wasn't a challenge for others to believe it or else... it was just someone expressing their opinion about this person being a good father.

Shame on you bud, lighten up. Before your seen as one who pushes your sectarianism on others.

You preacher you!

Well said!! Exactly what I was thinking, decided not to comment, cause figured it would do no good.
Miss you around these here parts!! Good to see you!!

Originally Posted by WonderWendy3

Well said!! Exactly what I was thinking, decided not to comment, cause figured it would do no good.
Miss you around these here parts!! Good to see you!!

oh GMC and I go way back... I think we offset each other in this world, gotta have a balance or we'd spin-off and burn up somewhere near the sun!


hehehe...

Good to see you too darlin! (((hugs)))

Originally Posted by gmc

You're right. I shall butt out. My apologies to mikeinie if I gave offence.

I do enjoy arguing about religion even if we do just agree to disagree. Sometimes I can't resist the temptation to engage in discourse. Maybe we need a sub section under religion called agree to disagree but have fun arguing about it anyway.



Actually if you read it in the original version he was amazingly handsome. The story about him being funny looking was put in later to cheer up the ugly. This has let to him being confused with contemporary posters known as big ears and big nose, in fact they were three different individuals and not the three in one or trinity as some would believe.

ahahaha I was gonna put that you were handsome but then I thought you might take that as flirting!


You can argue with me on religion anyday!