Predestination

[bepps]

Was wondering what individuals here think about predestination. Specifically God electing his children that will come to faith.

[jimbo]

Originally Posted by bepps

Was wondering what individuals here think about predestination. Specifically God electing his children that will come to faith.

explain more please

[bepps]

"For He chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will." Ephesians 1:4-5

In other words, God has chosen his elect. These individuals that will come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ and be welcomed into heaven as his adopted children. The non-elect will be condemned to hell for their sins. Otherwise, man does not have freewill to come to God. God made the decision as to whom would be saved before he even created this world.

[jimbo]

Originally Posted by bepps

"For He chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with His pleasure and will." Ephesians 1:4-5

In other words, God has chosen his elect. These individuals that will come to a saving faith in Jesus Christ and be welcomed into heaven as his adopted children. The non-elect will be condemned to hell for their sins. Otherwise, man does not have freewill to come to God. God made the decision as to whom would be saved before he even created this world.

well its very obvious to every one here that i am one of the chosen few

[RedGlitter]

I just don't believe in that at all, Bepps. Even when I was a christian I didn't believe in that. I don't think God will reject anyone for not being "saved."

[bepps]

Just questioning peoples beliefs. I can list a dozen verses of scripture where God chooses, not man. God setting Pharoah up just to destroy him so God's power could be displayed to the world as an example. People can choose to disbelieve scripture but people cannot deny what scripture says. That is why I always list the chapter and verse so people can look in their own bible or on the net so they can read it in context. People do not like to face the obvious, prefering to rely on their "feelings", not God's written word.

[RedGlitter]

How can you prove to me that the bible is God's word?

[bepps]

It's not a matter of me to prove anything to you. You either choose to believe it is God's written word or you do not. How can I prove to you anything. No more than you can prove to me whatever it is that drives your faith, or lack of it.

[RedGlitter]

Originally Posted by bepps

People can choose to disbelieve scripture but people cannot deny what scripture says.


People do not like to face the obvious, prefering to rely on their "feelings", not God's written word.

This is why I'm asking for proof. If you personally feel it's obvious that's one thing but to assume it applies to others is a whole different matter.

[Ted]

RedGlitter

I can join you in that question.

Shalom
Ted