How Wolves Benefit Yellowstone

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Accountable

Python explodes after swallowing 6-foot alligator in Florida Everglades
mongabay.com
October 5, 2005




Michael Barron of the National Park Service took this picture of a carcass of an alligator as it protudes out from the body of a dead Burmese python in Everglades National Park, Florida.


The National Park Service released photos that show the carcass of an American alligator that was almost swallowed by a Burmese python.

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& thanks for the good wishes.

That is truly amazing - and scary.

Thanks for finding it out.

[gmc]

Originally Posted by BTS

Ever hear of Darwin........
We and earth MUTATE........
Such as: Australian pups born with NO tail.......Hmm could that be because they have been bobbed for enough years that their DNA says......NO TAIL?

If the wolf or any of the predators of North America vanish then something else replaces him, And I take offence with the remark that Ranchers are not stewards......
MY ass.... Maybe you aren't a steward when you say "We"......... If ranchers do not take care of their lands then, please tell me why the sierra club and others want to grab ranchers land and most reasons are this "Oh this is the LAST of the pristine land in the area"

HMMM WHY might that be the last? Is it because they raped and pillaged the land?
Or is it so pristine because they cared for and nurtured it?

Maybe because it hadn't been economic to sell the limber and plant crops. My understanding is that the sierra club (and correct me if I'm wrong) came about because at the time america was being deforested at a phenomanal rate and there was a very real danger no natural forest would be left-as in no yellowstone for you to argue about just a barren landscape. Without environmentalists you really would have had nothing left-maybe you should have a look at some of the arguments put at the time. It's founder was a scot who came from a country that had been completely deforested and over farmed to the extent that large sections are actually incapable of growing anything edible except sheep that in turn prevent the land recovering. That's what really caused the highland clearances and why there are so many of scots and irish descent in the states.

As to land grab was it not first come first serve got to keep what they could hold. Your western mythology is full of tales of homesteaders fighting nasty cattle barons who wanted to keep everything for themselves and beating up on the little man. What is the difference between a rancher grabbing land that wasn't his in the first place and keeping it by force and the homesteader or government. Are you seriously suggesting that federal land be sold off so that private individuals or companies can strip out the forests and exploit the land and for whose benefit? Where would the profit go. And would it really be more than they make off tourism. What alternative are you suggesting in preference.

Your ranchers history of land management is not too brilliant-look at the dust bowl disasters of the thirties beforehand there were plenty of people warning what could happen and nobody took them seriously either.

Next time you sit down to a steak maybe you should worry about what the rancher fed his cows. If you don't start growing breasts because of the hormone content maybe the BSE will get you instead. Not to mention what they are adding to the water table when they spray chemicals on the fields.

I'm not American and as an outsider on one hand you get the impression that the environmental lobby is quite strong and on the other that it is powerless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziuFW...eature=related

Are you seriously in support of this kind of thing? Who owns the country-politicians, ranchers or should everybody have say in what is done supposedly for their benefit. If you destroy your environment ultimately you destroy yourself. If you let someone convince you it doesn't matter and you have no place objecting you hand power to someone else.

In the UK at one point many of the rivers were devoid of life not just because of industrial pollution but also as the result of farming practices and the careless use of pesticides and the like-the same in europe it's one of the reasons countries like germany have political parties whose environmental agenda is their main attraction and they do get elected because the reality of not caring was on the doorstep.

posted by bryn mawr

As to the re-introduction of wolves into the UK, although they have, as you say, been extinct since 1680, there are serious proposals to do just that. For obvious reasons it is unlikely to be in the south of the country where any pack territory would almost certainly include at least half a dozen villages. See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/2065794.stm for details.

Environmentalist do come up with stupid ideas. Landownership in Scotland is a political issue with large estates being owned by individuals and companies. Many of whom would love to stop try and stop hillwallkers and mountain bikers and the like although they daren't openly say so. I would be very suspicious of this guys motives. As an often times lone hillwalker re-introducing wolves is one of the stupidest ideas currently on the go. Some treehuggers have as much common sense as the trees they are hugging.

[Accountable]

In all things, balance is the key.



We need wackos on both sides.

Back before WWII, Japan took Korea and stripped it of its wood within a few decades. There were no environmentalists to stop them. They still have a lumber shortage I believe.

Here in the US, the severity of our wildfires are a direct result of environmentalists going too far in "saving" our forests and not allowing the natural process of burning to occassionally clear the underbrush. We're doing alot better now but still have work to do.

[gmc]

Originally Posted by Accountable

In all things, balance is the key.



We need wackos on both sides.

Back before WWII, Japan took Korea and stripped it of its wood within a few decades. There were no environmentalists to stop them. They still have a lumber shortage I believe.

Here in the US, the severity of our wildfires are a direct result of environmentalists going too far in "saving" our forests and not allowing the natural process of burning to occassionally clear the underbrush. We're doing alot better now but still have work to do.

Red Glitter and BTS are Wackos?

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by gmc

Red Glitter and BTS are Wackos?

No, but Frankie Spankie is

[RedGlitter]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

No, but Frankie Spankie is