AIDS as race war

[Lunaverde]

Interesting new speculation out there about people with Aryan genes having a natural immunity to the AIDS virus. I don't have the background to know if this is in any way reasonable, it certainly seems bizarre. Check it out:

http://geminiwalker-ink.net/ARYAN%20AIDS%20IMMUNITY.html[/url]

If true, what does this mean? If AIDS was created in the lab, and evidence for that looks pretty good, how could "they" possibly have known enough at that time to tweak the genetics that well? Coincidence, or...???

[stony moss]

As a person who works in the healthcare field.....I have seen all kinds of people with AIDS. That includes the so called Aryan race. That is so bogus.

[plazul]

Originally Posted by Lunaverde

Interesting new speculation out there about people with Aryan genes having a natural immunity to the AIDS virus. I don't have the background to know if this is in any way reasonable, it certainly seems bizarre. Check it out:

http://geminiwalker-ink.net/ARYAN%20AIDS%20IMMUNITY.html[/url]

If true, what does this mean? If AIDS was created in the lab, and evidence for that looks pretty good, how could "they" possibly have known enough at that time to tweak the genetics that well? Coincidence, or...???

I grew up around medical labs. My dad was a pathologist and had a little lab chain in the Northern Sierra foothiils that did medical lab tests and clinical and foresnic pathology work. My after school job was cleaning out culture dishes, stool and urine samples, coagulated blood samples, and other nauseating stuff. I was a very thin lad due to a chronic lack of appetite at supper time.

I didn't worry about catching anything until I read some stuff about viruses in Lab World magazine or one of those other trade rags. Then I held my breath a lot at work. The fascinating thing about viruses is that they're almost like an alien life form. They're not really a life form the way most people understand it but they seem to have a remarkable intelligence for adaptation and mutation.

Anyway, my dad predicted back in the Seventies that we would be engineering these buggers but I don't think HIV is man made. I'm probably wrong but I think there are about thirty retro HIV types and some of them cause AIDS and others don't. I think a man made virus would wander a little less and be a lot more virulent than HIV. It isn't as easy to get as they say.

Now our government has weaponized viruses that can target specific neuropathways, paralyze, and kill in a short time. Very freaky. So if some mad scientists were going to manufacture a killer virus I think they could do one better that HIV.

[anastrophe]

Originally Posted by stony moss

As a person who works in the healthcare field.....I have seen all kinds of people with AIDS. That includes the so called Aryan race. That is so bogus.

how do you know who is aryan and who isn't? is it a question on the intake forms?

it should be noted that the whole concept of germanic/european peoples as descendents of the aryans is nonsense. the aryans were tribes that invaded east india in 1500BC. there's no evidence that any european peoples are descended from them.

[plazul]

Maybe the poster was using Aryan as another word for caucasian. That's kind of what the Aryan nation does, right? Some people use the words Aryan and white interchangably. Just a thought, but I guess we're all straightened out on that one.

[anastrophe]

Originally Posted by plazul

Maybe the poster was using Aryan as another word for caucasian. That's kind of what the Aryan nation does, right? Some people use the words Aryan and white interchangably. Just a thought, but I guess we're all straightened out on that one.

of course, then we get into the inaccuracy of caucasian as a descriptor of 'fair skinned peoples', who are not all descendents of the ancient inhabitants of the caucasus mountains!

[Warsai]

It's simple filth. Simple cold hard lies, not facts. What evidence is there that this is true. Is it because there is such a large epidemic in Africa? Look in any standard medical text and it will tell you that AIDS has no preference to race. Did you know, that in the 70's Europe gave many packages of unsterilized needles?

Hold up, let me go find proof of it online, I read it in a book.

[Lunaverde]

This story stuck me as a bit weird from the beginning, because some of the first people to be infected with HIV were in fact white people (Aryans is a term generally used by white supremacists, isn't it? --so that brings on some suspicions right there). It was first spotted among junkies and gay men, most of whom were of the caucasian race. I thought the article had a nice scientific veneer, with the genetic markers noted or whatever they were. Looks solid, if you don't have a clue.

I still have strong suspicions that HIV was created in the lab, however. Not that they had the capabilities to taylor it so specifically to junkies, or gays, or Africans. But it was a good sort of virus for them to work on, from a military-nasty point of view, and it sure does happen to be taking out the kinds of people that the Powers That Be consider expendable.
A terrific book on this, just perfect for a good conspiracy theory, is "Emerging Viruses" by Len Horowitz. It has some pretty amazing documents from congressional hearings, back in the late 60s or early 70s, about precisely this type of virus, which the military was developing. The book has reprints of documents from various labs in the US and France, and it sure looks suspicious.
However, I will say that unfortunately Len Horowitz has since gone completely nutty-- he moved to Sandpoint Idaho, notorious homeland of white aryan supremists, and has been spouting utter nonsense about diseases in jet contrails. Oh well, as I say -- great fodder for a conspiracy theory!

[Lunaverde]

The following has more detail on the new genetic conspiracy theory about AIDS:
This is taken from http://www.spitfirelist.com/f472.html

[I think "Aryan" is used here rather loosely, to indicate people of European descent. We can argue about "European" -- I mean, are the Greeks "European"? The Brits seem to think so, or at least that the Greeks were European in the Old Days, when they made those lovely statues.... ]

8. “Meanwhile, recent work with another disease strikingly similar to the plague, AIDS, suggests O’Brien was on the right track. HIV, the virus that causes AIDS, tricks the immune system in a similar manner as the plague bacterium, targeting and taking over white blood cells. Virologist Dr. Bill Paxton at the Aaron Diamond AIDS Research Center in New York City noticed, ‘the center had no study of people who were exposed to HIV but who had remained negative.’ He began testing the blood of high-risk, HIV-negative individuals like Steve Crohn, exposing their blood to three thousand times the amount of HIV normally needed to infect a cell. Steve’s blood never became infected. ‘We thought maybe we had infected the culture with bacteria or whatever,’ says Paxton. ‘So we went back to Steve. But it was the same result. We went back again and again. Same result.’ Paxton began studying Crohn’s DNA, and concluded there was some sort of blocking mechanism preventing the virus from binding to his cells. Further research showed that that mechanism was delta 32. Scientists studying HIV first learned about the gateway-blocking capacity of the CCR5 mutation in 1996. Several drug companies, then, quickly began exploring the possibility of developing pharmaceuticals that would mimic delta 32 by binding to CCR5 and blocking the attachment of HIV. . . .” (Ibid.; pp. 1-2.)

9. The devastating implications of the findings discussed above were eloquently presented in an online editorial: “This is the nightmare of AIDS no one wants to believe. As we come closer to celebrating, on December 1, yet another World AIDS Day, let’s take a good hard look at what’s really going on before we pour more of our ever diminishing hard earned money down yet another horrendous sinkhole. It has been found that some Caucasians who have tested positive for the HIV virus were found to take a very long time to actually develop ‘full-blown’ AIDS (as they call it). It has since been discovered (since 1997) that 20% of European Caucasians have the so-called ‘Aryan’ genetic disposition. If both your parents, in other words, are of Aryan descent, it appears you can never die of AIDS even though you might be infected.” (“Aryan Genes Immune to Death from AIDS” by geminiwalker_ink; p. 1; accessed at: http://geminiwalker-ink.net/ARYAN%20...0IMMUNITY.html .)

10. “The reason for this is in the genetic coding of the killer T-cells, which are part of the body’s immune system protective shield. These are the cells that are attacked by the HIV retrovirus. The location of the attack has been discovered. It is on the CCR5 gene in the 3rd DNA gene pair. The particular location is the Delta 32 RECEPTOR SITE. If either of your DNA pairs (from either your mother or your father) is DELTA 32 POSITIVE then the HIV virus can attach itself at that point. If you are DELTA 32 NEGATIVE then HIV just floats around in your blood harmlessly for you.” (Idem.)

11. “But even though you may be DELTA 32 NEGATIVE at both sites, you can supposedly still spread the virus. What has been discovered is that these 20% of European Caucasians are members of the Aryan gene pool. Also it has been discovered that the farther north you go in Europe, say in Norway, Finland, Sweden, etc., you find the highest percentage of people that are DELTA 32 NEGATIVE at the CCR5 gene allele.” (Idem.)

12. “That this would be a simple coincidence is beyond all human reason. To say that HIV suddenly crawled out of the woodwork in Central Africa by someone being bitten by a green tree monkey is one thing. But then to say that the only human gene pool on Earth that is immune to HIV is the Aryan Race is a coincidence that even Howdy Doody wouldn’t buy.” (Idem.)

13. “What we are looking at is a genocide perpetrated on racial groups of the world that makes the Nazi Holocause look like Romper Room. Add to that the global trafficking in drugs that specifically targets minorities, the poor, and people of color, and while it may not look like the holocaust during WWII, it doesn’t have to. The AIDS epidemic isn’t a mysterious virulogical disease, it is calculated murder. And a genocide that is beyond human comprehension. And since it is the venerated Aryan Race that is immune to it, then one has to assume that they are the ones who promulgated it.” (Ibid.; p. 2.)

14. “Of course, one shouldn’t assume anything, so we will continue to explore this terribly distressing theory as evidence presents itself. This disease has the ability to wipe all of humanity off the earth. If it is true that everyone is at risk, that HIV is sexually transmitted and that mothers and children are most at risk, half the population would be gone already—in one generation. That, clearly, isn’t happening. But something else is. . . .” (Idem.)

15. With Africa among the areas most profoundly threatened by the virus and with Third Reich alumni implicated in the development of AIDS (see the programs discussed above), it is interesting to view Germany’s (and Northern Europe’s) plans for Africa as a major focal point for colonialization. Could HIV be the “Aryan” infection that will facilitate the task of subjugating Africa? The person quoted here is Konrad Adenauer, Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, quoted in a 1950 article. “ ‘ . . . A federated Europe will become a Third Force in the world, not as strong as Russia or the United States, but powerful enough to intervene successfully—in a decisive moment—to safeguard the peace . . . Germany has again become a factor with whom others will have to reckon in international affairs . . . There is also a long-range economic goal: the colonization of Africa . . . If we Europeans colonize Africa, we create at the same time a supplier of raw materials for Europe which will be of the greatest importance.’” (Germany Plots with the Kremlin; by T.H. Tetens; Copyright 1953 [HC] by Henry Schuman, Inc.; p. 16.)

[pattybug52]

I was always under the assumption that AIDS started from that monkey in Africa-and if like in movie Outbreak-if they can make a serum/vaccine for it why could they not create more of the bug? Or if they knew the reses monkey carried the virus to begin with-why could they not develop the virus in a lab-especially our armed forces always looking for something else to kill people off. What year was it when AIDS came out? I remember taking a first aid course from Red Cross and they said it was from the monkey-at the time everyone was saying people ate them in Africa but later said a bite from one could cause it too.