12 Y/O Boy Beats Toddler to Death for Crying

[weeder]

This is the perfect example of the thread... Are some people basically evil.
The 12 year old is a monster. Not a kind cell in his whole body.
It doesnt matter that he was left to babysit. Fine, those adults were idiots...
But this was the monsters solution? Actually? He should be exterminated. Of course being a civilized society, we will not do that. But then he needs to be locked away for a very long time, and then monitored for the rest of his life,
My thinking is that he will kill again. Someday, somewhere... whenever he gets angry, or pissed off, or inconvienienced. I know my response is cold, and I thank God Im not his mother. But if we stopped ***** footing around, and became a society where there was something to fear... maybe some of these atrcities would end. This makes me sick. This is why I dont read newspapers or have TV. Reports like these make it seem like life is not worth living. Too sad.

[Chezzie]

Originally Posted by lemon_and_mint

look at the age gap there -

12 to under two.

when i hear of parents of children over 8 having another baby the only thing i feel is sympathy for the older children, who never asked for a screaming baby to interrupt their sleep, their playing, their lives, but they had it forced on them anyway.

well their is also another way of looking at it....Having a beautiful baby brother or sister enriching their life and being able to watch it grow and have a hand in its upbringing. Most older siblings actually are more mature in their outlook of their new sibling and dont see it as rivalry as maybe my two girls do as their is only 18 months difference in their age. They argue over everything and anything and as they are close in age they can be quite jealous of each other.
This cant be pinpointed to how long a gap is left between siblings, its just basic parenting that needs to be addressed. You dont leave kids looking after kids.

Your saying they have to put up with a baby crying and stopping them sleep but its actually quite a well known fact that most second, third babies sleep through the night and are usually better sleepers than the first child, not always but mostly. Most second babies have to just blend in with the family routine thats already in place so no real distruption other that another beautiful human being being nurtered into the world.

[RedGlitter]

Originally Posted by Chezzie

RG, do you think its also acceptable to kill any animal if they kill a human being? See by saying you think it acceptable to put children to death from age 14 for murder etc..surely if an animal kills, they should also suffer the same fate or would you be putting the dog owners on trial/death penalty..In which case why is it different for a child than a dog?


Im not picking here, just trying to understand where your coming from hun as I just dont understand your reasoning for the death penalty.

Personally my opinion is @ 12 years old that KID is not reponsible enough to look after two children. In the uk, under 14 years must be looked after under an adults supervison as they are deemed too immature before that age. My daughter is 10 in feb and I cant envisage her in two years time being mature enough to look after another child and a baby. To put a child in that position is wrong.

Of course what he did was wrong but you cant go killing him for someone elses stupidity, if he wasnt put in that position he well may grow up to be a fine young citizen and run for president one day, who knows??

This is why the death penalty is wrong and im glad we dont have it here in the UK. Loads and loads of people in the UK have been wrongly imprisoned for crimes they didnt commit, unfortunately alot dont recover from being subjected to the prison system but at least they wern't murdered for something they didnt commit.

Yes the youth culture of today is soaring out of control and the authorities need to stamp this out quick but not by murdering the children.

Are you serious? No, I don't believe in killing animals unless they are rabid. I'm not quite sure where you're coming from, but I think you're trying to tell me that a 12 y.o has the same mental faculties as a dog? I don't know how I can begin to answer that because the two do not compare.

12 years of age is old enough to know about killing and death. If a 12 y/o doesn't know that whacking a defenseless baby with a baseball bat is going to possibly kill him, then that must be one damned stupid kid.

I disagree that leaving a 12 year old in charge of babysitting for two little kids is wrong. I was a babysitter from the time I was ten years old. Ten may be a little young for most kids but I don't think 12 would be.

The thing that keeps cropping up in these discussions is the lack of adults willing to attribute responsibility to kids. Do we protect them until they're 17 and then start teaching them responsibility? How about accounting for one's actions? Does that come into play at all?
Ideally nobody would be put to death but I think a kid beating to death a toddler is warrant enough for death. That kid's a bad seed and who knows what he'll pull as an adult when someone cuts him off in traffic or he gets fired from his job?

My reasoning for the death penalty can be summed up thus: a life for a life. This is what I believe in.

[Chezzie]

Originally Posted by weeder

This is the perfect example of the thread... Are some people basically evil.
The 12 year old is a monster. Not a kind cell in his whole body.
It doesnt matter that he was left to babysit. Fine, those adults were idiots...
But this was the monsters solution? Actually? He should be exterminated. Of course being a civilized society, we will not do that. But then he needs to be locked away for a very long time, and then monitored for the rest of his life,
My thinking is that he will kill again. Someday, somewhere... whenever he gets angry, or pissed off, or inconvienienced. I know my response is cold, and I thank God Im not his mother. But if we stopped ***** footing around, and became a society where there was something to fear... maybe some of these atrcities would end. This makes me sick. This is why I dont read newspapers or have TV. Reports like these make it seem like life is not worth living. Too sad.

Maybe you have more information on this child then Weeder, I was just going on the OP and as their wasnt any personal info I couldnt delve into his background. Whats the word in America then, has this boy being violent before?

[Chezzie]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

Are you serious? No, I don't believe in killing animals unless they are rabid. I'm not quite sure where you're coming from, but I think you're trying to tell me that a 12 y.o has the same mental faculties as a dog? I don't know how I can begin to answer that because the two do not compare.

12 years of age is old enough to know about killing and death. If a 12 y/o doesn't know that whacking a defenseless baby with a baseball bat is going to possibly kill him, then that must be one damned stupid kid.

I disagree that leaving a 12 year old in charge of babysitting for two little kids is wrong. I was a babysitter from the time I was ten years old. Ten may be a little young for most kids but I don't think 12 would be.

The thing that keeps cropping up in these discussions is the lack of adults willing to attribute responsibility to kids. Do we protect them until they're 17 and then start teaching them responsibility? How about accounting for one's actions? Does that come into play at all?
Ideally nobody would be put to death but I think a kid beating to death a toddler is warrant enough for death. That kid's a bad seed and who knows what he'll pull as an adult when someone cuts him off in traffic or he gets fired from his job?

My reasoning for the death penalty can be summed up thus: a life for a life. This is what I believe in.

No hun I wasnt implying that a 12 y.o has the same mental faculties as a dog. I was trying to see what was the difference between you saying this kid should be murdered for killing but if it was a dog who killed that baby, would you be blaming the parent etc as you wouldnt put a dog down as you have just said unless it was rabid...

I dont believe in a life for a life so I guess we'll agree to disagree

[weeder]

Originally Posted by Chezzie

well their is also another way of looking at it....Having a beautiful baby brother or sister enriching their life and being able to watch it grow and have a hand in its upbringing. Most older siblings actually are more mature in their outlook of their new sibling and dont see it as rivalry as maybe my two girls do as their is only 18 months difference in their age. They argue over everything and anything and as they are close in age they can be quite jealous of each other.
This cant be pinpointed to how long a gap is left between siblings, its just basic parenting that needs to be addressed. You dont leave kids looking after kids.

Your saying they have to put up with a baby crying and stopping them sleep but its actually quite a well known fact that most second, third babies sleep through the night and are usually better sleepers than the first child, not always but mostly. Most second babies have to just blend in with the family routine thats already in place so no real distruption other that another beautiful human being being nurtered into the world.

My God Chezzie... jealousy, kids looking after kids, how long babies sleep?
I guess when my children were young, if one of them took a shorter nap, and interrupted my nap.... I should have beaten them to death? I would have been in the gas chamber in the blink of an eye. As we speak there are thousands of incompetent parents who have left children with children. There arent 6 newspaper articles reporting one child killing another. No, this is a very Special boy.

[lemon_and_mint]

you have only to look at the numbers of adults who have snapped and beaten a screaming child to death -
here we are talking about a very young child, probably without the knowledge of what to do with a crying toddler and how to stop them screaming, probably he just wanted the screaming to stop and did what he felt he needed to do to stop it.

While that doesnt make his actions right in any way, i think it has to be looked at - WHY was he in that situation in the first place?

Was this a regular thing that he was left with those children?If so, this sense of wanting to be free of the situation was probably building momentum for a long time.
If the parents reglarly left the children, and perhaps beat the boy, was he only copying his parents?
There is so much not said in the original article.

[weeder]

Originally Posted by Chezzie

Maybe you have more information on this child then Weeder, I was just going on the OP and as their wasnt any personal info I couldnt delve into his background. Whats the word in America then, has this boy being violent before?

Im sorry... but when my brain remembers Ted Bundy slaughtering, and torturing countless young female co eds... I feel physically ill. He tortured small animals, as a young boy. In the wake of all the deaths, psychologists said ( as they always do) that his early behavior was an indicator of what he would do as an adult. Sociopaths. They walk among us, undetected for years. My brain cannott wrap around one excuse for the beating of a small child. Its good that he revealed himself now. Sadly, it took a life. But perhaps we will be able to stop him from killing again.

[lemon_and_mint]

something is a little odd with that story, there was a ten year old present as well, but the ten year olds witness statement was not given.


just suppose that it was an adult who did it and blamed the child?

anyway, why was there a baseball bat so conveniently to hand if this was a spur of the moment killing?You would expect him to attack the child with his bare hands as he watched tv.

I think there is more to it the more i think about it.

[Sheryl]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

My reasoning for the death penalty can be summed up thus: a life for a life. This is what I believe in.

I cannot wrap my head around the fact that you believe this for humans, yet only rabid dogs should be put down.

Originally Posted by weeder

This is the perfect example of the thread... Are some people basically evil.
The 12 year old is a monster. Not a kind cell in his whole body.
It doesnt matter that he was left to babysit. Fine, those adults were idiots...
But this was the monsters solution? Actually? He should be exterminated. Of course being a civilized society, we will not do that. But then he needs to be locked away for a very long time, and then monitored for the rest of his life,
My thinking is that he will kill again. Someday, somewhere... whenever he gets angry, or pissed off, or inconvienienced. I know my response is cold, and I thank God Im not his mother. But if we stopped ***** footing around, and became a society where there was something to fear... maybe some of these atrcities would end. This makes me sick. This is why I dont read newspapers or have TV. Reports like these make it seem like life is not worth living. Too sad.

I think you have the best conclusion. This kid had issues to do something like this. Whether it be he was a just an evil kid, or had anger issues. Something was not right with this kid to just snap like that.

Originally Posted by lemon_and_mint

look at the age gap there -

12 to under two.

when i hear of parents of children over 8 having another baby the only thing i feel is sympathy for the older children, who never asked for a screaming baby to interrupt their sleep, their playing, their lives, but they had it forced on them anyway.

Age gap has nothing to do with this. Weeder's right there's just something wrong with this kid.