12 Y/O Boy Beats Toddler to Death for Crying

[Imladris]

Originally Posted by lemon_and_mint

look at the age gap there -

12 to under two.

when i hear of parents of children over 8 having another baby the only thing i feel is sympathy for the older children, who never asked for a screaming baby to interrupt their sleep, their playing, their lives, but they had it forced on them anyway.

My step-daughters were 9 and 11 when I had my daughter. They were so happy about her being born, they were and are brilliant sisters to her. I made every effort to ensure that a baby crying in the middle of the night didn't disrupt their sleep, especially on a school night. I don't think the age gap is relevant in this case. The boy is obviously not right, his response to a crying child is extreme.

I don't agree with children of 12 babysitting for the simple reason that they are too young to take responsibility for a toddler or baby in an emergency. They might be sensible and able to do the day to day things but when things go wrong it isn't fair to make them have to cope.

[grh]

Originally Posted by lemon_and_mint

look at the age gap there -

12 to under two.

when i hear of parents of children over 8 having another baby the only thing i feel is sympathy for the older children, who never asked for a screaming baby to interrupt their sleep, their playing, their lives, but they had it forced on them anyway.

So, what you are really saying here is that you aren't just 'pro choice' you are 'pro abortion' for folks unfortunate enough to suffer the 'agegap'? I mean, for the sake of those older kids, of course!

[grh]

Originally Posted by lemon_and_mint

something is a little odd with that story, there was a ten year old present as well, but the ten year olds witness statement was not given.


just suppose that it was an adult who did it and blamed the child?

anyway, why was there a baseball bat so conveniently to hand if this was a spur of the moment killing?You would expect him to attack the child with his bare hands as he watched tv.

I think there is more to it the more i think about it.

have you really thought about what you are saying here lemon? or is it that you don't have kids?

[lemon_and_mint]

Originally Posted by grh

So, what you are really saying here is that you aren't just 'pro choice' you are 'pro abortion' for folks unfortunate enough to suffer the 'agegap'? I mean, for the sake of those older kids, of course!

i don't think i mentioned abortion, i said i was sympathetic to the other kids.

[lemon_and_mint]

Originally Posted by grh

have you really thought about what you are saying here lemon? or is it that you don't have kids?

no idea why that's a strange thing for me to say?

[kazalala]

I think 12 is too young to be left looking after a baby. I agree at 12 they should know difference between wrong and right, and that hitting someone on the head with a baseball bat can have fatal consequences. But sadly i also believe that no, some children dont know this, and even more sadly even older teenagers and yes adults dont seem to understand this. The reason i think this, is the fact that we have more and more cases here in England every day of people being clubbed or stabbed or even shot. Some kids are left mostly to fend for themselves and not taught any values at all. Not punished for bad behaviour when younger because some parents are too dam lazy. Their definition of punishment is to give the kid a good hiding, shout and bawl, hit them some more Thus children learn when you are annoyed or someone does something you dont like or deem as "naughty" hit them. Also i wonder if the violence that is allowed to be watched on tv, violent computer games etc. has anything to do with it? as in giving kids a false sense of what is real.
My Brother and his son were hit on the head with metal bars early hours of new years day, my brother is a big strong man, as is his son, but my brother was left unconcsious on the ground and my nephew had to have 8 stitches in the top of his head. These people dnt seem to realise they could have very easily killed them??

I honestly think something is not right with this child, its beyond my comprehension to believe he actually knew he would kill her and went ahead and did it. It saddens me actually. Saying that, i dont mean he should get away with what he has done, he should be made to understand how serious the consequences are, and punished most definately. But i certainly think someone needs to lok at why a 12 yr old would do something like this.

[RedGlitter]

Originally Posted by Sheryl

I cannot wrap my head around the fact that you believe this for humans, yet only rabid dogs should be put down.

It's not hard. Dogs can't reason and make judgements. People can.

[pantsonfire321@aol.com]

I do believe in the Death penalty 100% but not for minors /kids. I think if the crime is very severe lock them up indefinitely . I believe some kids are born evil, look at the Bulger boys, theres no way they should of been let out so soon . I'd of liked to see them locked away for 20/30 /40 odd years for what they did to that baby boy . In my opinion most sentences are to soft . This crime sickens me because it could of been prevented , it's so very very sad.

[JacksDad]

Originally Posted by lemon_and_mint

no idea why that's a strange thing for me to say?

It's one thing not to think before you speak but you're typing for gods sake.
Have you never heard of The Little League?

Children playing baseball?

Know what?
I think surfing should be banned.
I've never surfed in my life and know absolutely nothing of the sport or hobby and don't really care to.
But I don't like those surfer dude types.
Ban it. It's dangerous.

[Sheryl]

Originally Posted by RedGlitter

It's not hard. Dogs can't reason and make judgements. People can.

I bet you that's the argument the kid's lawyer uses.