Texas shootings

[spot]

Originally Posted by hoppy

You sound like your getting a kick out of the whole thing.

I didn't take the thread in this direction but I do think I'm permitted to ask questions about existing posts. By all means stick to the core topic, I've posted on that too and I've not seen anyone taking up my suggestion yet. Would you like to? They're rational comments.

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by spot

I didn't take the thread in this direction but I do think I'm permitted to ask questions about existing posts. By all means stick to the core topic, I've posted on that too and I've not seen anyone taking up my suggestion yet. Would you like to? They're rational comments.

Yadayadayada....

[spot]

Originally Posted by hoppy

Yadayadayada....

That, dear boy, is a cop-out. Are you claiming this isn't a domestic backlash from a livid stressed-out co-religionist? "The base commander at Fort Hood says soldiers who witnessed a shooting rampage that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted 'Allahu Akbar!' before opening fire at the Texas post."

[K.Snyder]

Originally Posted by spot

Why did you put "punish" in quotes?

If United States prisons have a duty of care for the safety of their inmates, surely that includes actively preventing harm by other inmates. Maybe they don't have such a duty of care.

They do their jobs just like the military grunts you'd expect to.

I put "punish" in quotation marks because It's not me being the one doing the "punishing" at the suggestion that "punishment" in general is always derived by ones own justification which is left up to opinion. I wouldn't suggest torture in the least.

I'm for crime prevention.

[K.Snyder]

It's not like one too many inmates doesn't get off on physical aggression.

[YZGI]

Originally Posted by spot

I didn't take the thread in this direction but I do think I'm permitted to ask questions about existing posts. By all means stick to the core topic, I've posted on that too and I've not seen anyone taking up my suggestion yet. Would you like to? They're rational comments.

Do you think suicde bombs and mass shooting will help their cause?

[spot]

Originally Posted by YZGI

Do you think suicde bombs and mass shooting will help their cause?

Who's "they"? The thread's about Muslims in the US Armed Forces and whether they can retain the trust of their fellow recruits, and one Major in particular who seems to have snapped under the strain.

There are quite a few "they"s. The very few long-term hard-core Islamic fundamentalists wanted to radicalise the average Muslim and to do that they needed an external enemy killing Muslims in large numbers. They goaded the US, and the previous US Administration obligingly rolled on its back and did exactly what "they" wanted. "They" provided the Pearl Harbor excuse and the Bush Administration grasped it with both hands and felt like it had won the lottery.

"They" that are the consequently radicalised Muslims in the Middle East want the foreign "liberators" to go home. They join the resistance, just as the Norwegians and French and Greeks did when they were occupied by foreign troops. It's nationalism, it's patriotic, it's defending the Homeland, it's exactly what any red-blooded American would do in similar circumstances. How you people can disrespect them baffles me. Engaging in asymmetrical tactics is the only option any guerilla force has. It rarely fails to succeed in the long term. It has no air cover, it has pitiable weaponry, it retains the field when the "liberators" call it a day and it forms the new government. It remains radicalised for a long time afterwards.

As for the American "they" that the thread's about, it's catastrophic. They're in the position that the second generation American Japanese were at the start of World War Two. Some proportion of their cohort mistrusts them regardless of their personal allegiance to the Stars and Stripes. Some significant proportion of them are conflicted anyhow at the political direction the US has taken. What can they possibly do to retain the trust of everyone they serve with, given the prejudice they see around them? I don't think they can do it. I think they'll remain stressed. How many of them will snap the way the Major snapped is something nobody can guess.

What doesn't help is people saying their cause is the destruction of the US, it never was and never could be. It comes down to self-determination, whether it's Iran or Iraq or Afghanistan or Pakistan or Palestine. That's the root problem. Evicting the Ba'athists or the Taliban by force from government is the root problem. Interference in the internal affairs of other countries is the root problem. This mass shooting within the US Homeland is merely a direct consequence.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by hoppy

You sound like your getting a kick out of the whole thing.

I've read all their is available over this and I think The Daily Mail has done the best anaylisis.

Fort Hood shootings: Army major Nidal Malik Hasan kills 12 and injures 31 in shootout with troops at army base | Mail Online

It's lengthy but gives most of the facts.

It seems 6 months prior to this tragic day, officials had already expressed concerns about the assassin and yes, Spot, I choose the word assassin specifically.
I do not believe this was one man who went nuts and let fire. He had repeatedly expressed his support when US and British troops were killed. This is nothing short than an act of deliberate Terrorism and needs to be treated as such.

My heartiest congratualtions go to the US woman Officer who shot the bastard.
Our thoughts are with the US , the victems and their families.

[K.Snyder]

Originally Posted by oscar

I've read all their is available over this and I think The Daily Mail has done the best anaylisis.

Fort Hood shootings: Army major Nidal Malik Hasan kills 12 and injures 31 in shootout with troops at army base | Mail Online

It's lengthy but gives most of the facts.

It seems 6 months prior to this tragic day, officials had already expressed concerns about the assassin and yes, Spot, I choose the word assassin specifically.
I do not believe this was one man who went nuts and let fire. He had repeatedly expressed his support when US and British troops were killed. This is nothing short than an act of deliberate Terrorism and needs to be treated as such.

My heartiest congratualtions go to the US woman Officer who shot the bastard.
Our thoughts are with the US , the victems and their families.

He'll be put to death

[Odie]

Originally Posted by K.Snyder

He'll be put to death

thank god it happened in Texas!