Copenhagen Climate Treaty - Screw the West

[freetobeme]

Looks like the treaty to be presented at Copenhagen has been scooped, surprise surprise, it is not about climate, it's nothing but a backdoor world socialist government document aimed at bringing about "economic equality" by taking the western economies down to 3rd-world status.

If implemented, forget about Canada ever running a budget surplus again. The full text is available as a 2 megabyte, 181 page pdf document at
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com...nhagen-2009.pdf

Some contest: Page 62

36. All Parties, except for the least developed countries and small island developing States, shall develop and regularly update and submit a national inventory of anthropogenic emissions by sources and removals by sinks of all gases not controlled by the Montreal Protocol.

Page 122
17. [[Developed [and developing] countries] [Developed and developing
country Parties] [All Parties] [shall] [should]:]
(a) Compensate for damage to the LDCs' economy and also compensate for lost opportunities, resources, lives, land and dignity, as many will become environmental refugees;

b. Africa, in the context of environmental justice, should be equitably compensated for environmental, social and economic losses arising from the implementation of response measures.

No mention of how we should be able to come up with the money, to do so is a given that we will be in a depression. If we sign on to it, kiss economic recovery good-bye.

[gmc]

What is it about the reality that if we destroy our environment economic recovery will be the least of your worries you find difficulty in grasping?

It's not tin pot theories about world socialism you should worry about. What kind of idiot still falls for that one?

[freetobeme]

Originally Posted by gmc

What is it about the reality that if we destroy our environment economic recovery will be the least of your worries you find difficulty in grasping?

It's not tin pot theories about world socialism you should worry about. What kind of idiot still falls for that one?

Nothing we do will stop the earth`s changes, we can clean up our act and reduce the population (not likely though), but that will not stop the earth cycling. Destroying the west`s economies with tin pot schemes to redistribute the wealth won`t help anything, it`ll make things worse.

The only place the world is getting warmer is in the Arctic. Everywhere else the Earth's temperature is dropping, heck if global warming continues, we`ll freeze to death LOL ICECAP

This is Poland's response

"Quite frankly, from our point of view it's totally unacceptable that the poor countries of Europe should help the rich countries of Europe to help the poor countries in the rest of the world," said Polish Finance Minister Jan Rostowski.

Poland refuses to pay poorer nations' climate tab — EUbusiness.com - business, legal and economic news and information from the European Union

BTW, both of these clauses were inserted in the original Kyoto Protocol by European bureaucrats who hijacked the final IPCC process, but there has always been a large political agenda ready to monopolize the discourse.

The second clause was designed specifically to cripple the USA. The main factor for Clinton's refusal to get on board was that the penalties were "to be specified later", and guess what, fifteen years later those "penalties" for exceeding 1990 emissions have still not been identified.
George Bush similarly avoided "the trap", whilst Al Gore was less than forthright to Americans et al re: the Kyoto deficiencies.

[gmc]

Nothing we do will stop the earth`s changes, we can clean up our act and reduce the population (not likely though), but that will not stop the earth cycling. Destroying the west`s economies with tin pot schemes to redistribute the wealth won`t help anything, it`ll make things worse.

So you think we shouldn't try accept is all as inevitable and just give up? Why is opponents to trying to do doing anything about it always spout these daft theories about world socialism? It's pig ignorant, shows a lack of understanding and is just plain silly. It's classic let's not discuss the problem objectively and instead attack the one bringing it up.

We're all in the **** together.

[freetobeme]

Originally Posted by gmc

So you think we shouldn't try accept is all as inevitable and just give up? Why is opponents to trying to do doing anything about it always spout these daft theories about world socialism? It's pig ignorant, shows a lack of understanding and is just plain silly. It's classic let's not discuss the problem objectively and instead attack the one bringing it up.

We're all in the **** together.

Gee, I dunno why is people against it - talk about pig ignorant

[spot]

Originally Posted by freetobeme

Gee, I dunno why is people against it - talk about pig ignorant

You don't think "Destroying the west`s economies with tin pot schemes to redistribute the wealth" will reduce demand and consumption then? I'd rather been hoping it might.

[freetobeme]

Originally Posted by spot

You don't think "Destroying the west`s economies with tin pot schemes to redistribute the wealth" will reduce demand and consumption then? I'd rather been hoping it might.

Destroying the economies, would destroy civilization, you don't want to be around when that happens.

All these schemes do is give countries such as China & United Arab Emirates a license to continue pumping carbon into the atmosphere while restricting the emissions of the U.S. Face it, these 'developing nations' are now responsible for much faster emissions growth than the U.S.

Nothing we do will have an affect on climate change, while we should of course clean up our act, we should be looking at strategies to adapt. Earth has always changed and always cycled, it always will until the sun dies out.

We actually are in a downward temperatures trend as more scientists are speaking out against the so-called consensus belief that man-made carbon dioxide is causing global warming, there as beenno warming since 2002, while CO2 levels continue to rise.

[spot]

Originally Posted by freetobeme

All these schemes do is give countries such as China & United Arab Emirates a license to continue pumping carbon into the atmosphere while restricting the emissions of the U.S.

You know, if that's all these schemes do then I strongly recommend the U.S. refuse to sign up to any of them.

Alternatively, if you're mistaken, then that's all you are. And, I venture to suggest, mistaken owing to ingrained bias.

Meanwhile, if we can all collectively manage to reduce demand and consumption please? To something more approximating sanity? I don't need it, you don't need it, Mrs Trellis most certainly doesn't need it, the Malls are packed full of so much of it, all of it total shoddy dreck. Enough already. Stop selling. Stop buying.

[freetobeme]

I doubt that they will sign it and hopefully Canada will not.

Here's a piece today


Kevin Libin: Copenhagen plan could wreck global economy - Full Comment

With Copenhagen, however, there is no hidden agenda: its authors say that transferring wealth is exactly what they aim to do.

cont...

[gmc]

Originally Posted by freetobeme

I doubt that they will sign it and hopefully Canada will not.

Here's a piece today


Kevin Libin: Copenhagen plan could wreck global economy - Full Comment

With Copenhagen, however, there is no hidden agenda: its authors say that transferring wealth is exactly what they aim to do.

cont...

Having a few people or countries accumulate all the wealth is not exactly a long term strategy that is likely to succeed. It never has been and never will but those doing the accumulating are very good at persuading themselves that it is.

It is incidentally not good capitalism to allow monopolies or cartels to develop you need to take measures to prevent that happening it's that failure to regulate that has led to the economic meltdown we are now seeing.