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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    So that's no excuse to harass her on a commercial flight with her family?
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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    Just putting foward, that there will be repercussions. Its america. And they picked on a rich person. He'll lose his job, home, family.....etc after theyve done suing the pants off him. And the shirt off his back.

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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    Then youll be here complaining about the injustice of that

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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    After Trump's campaign I'm happy for any member of his team to be targeted, and his family are part of his team, will be running his businesses and formulating policy. Clinton may have been a bit nasty, but compared to Trump she's an angel. The USA is going to be raped for his benefit, and that of his Russian backers.
    The UK on the other hand is going to become a low tax low service economy and the NHS will be a shell. Retail and manufacturing will decline steadily so the middle classes as well as the traditional working classes will experience mass unemployment and poverty since there will be many fewer managerial jobs. We are in a dreadful negotiating position for new deals because we MUST get deals and no-one we negotiate with is that desperate so they can delay delay delay without taking harm, until we sign up to their terms. The US trade negotiator, appointed by Trump, has already called it a God given opportunity to steal business from the UK and is advising his clients accordingly. Brexiters have put us right in the ****.

    Brexiters have completely smashed the country and are too stupid to realise it - except for the far right nasties who want to smash the economy so they can get power in the chaos and desperation, and the racists who brexit voters have empowered, the small minded xenophobes who hate any foreigner (and foreign starts outside their village) and the very rich/right wing of the tory party who want a low tax environment and can afford private health insurance and have their company pension and don't care that the poor starve.

    Ands the poor WILL starve. There are already signs of it in the North of England and brexit will only make it worse - inflation is back and there's no money for increased benefits or services. There's only so long we can keep borrowing money before the IMF gets stroppy and brexit has already led to our credit rating being downgraded.

    It is hard to adequately express my loathing and contempt for the people who have done this.
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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    Don't hold back, Clod. It's nice to see you posting!

    I try to give due consideration to what's been happening politically in the US, UK and indeed worldwide. All I can come up with is that when viewed as an organism, it would appear to be mutating. These changes we're witnessing are pretty significant and frightening on the face.

    To keep this short enough, the final question is whether or not the organism's changes are selective, and if not then it will need to mutate further or go it's way to irrelevance and finally extinction. How long the dying phase is is anyone's guess. Perhaps we're already in that phase, in fact.

    I'm curious to see how a Trump administration plays out, whatever the end result is.

    If Trump is doing what I suspect he's doing with his choices then this could be a game-changing period in the US for the better, and we all know that that is what has to happen one way or another.

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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    I just don't think a misogynistic thin skinned childish sod with a very high opinion of himself and no morals is likely to make a good President. But what do I know? What do you think he is doing with his choices that will make the USA so much better? I think his only concern as President is to get as rich as possible. Maybe I'm so revolted by the way he comes across that I'm missing his good points. What are they? What do you think his plan is?

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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    Trump's picks appear to me to be typical of a business person, which is what he sold himself as to his supporters.

    Politicians usually appoint wonks to a job in order to crank it properly and keep it running smoothly. They usually only tweak the thing around the perimeter and never want to mess with the inner workings for several reasons that I'll avoid getting into in order to keep this short enough. They turn out to pretty much be gate-keepers, which is what becomes frustrating for the average person in the real world dealing with the consequences of the machinery. Behind the scenes, these appointees are lapping up to the powers that be for the future when their political careers come to an end, believing that it's all really on auto run anyway as long as they just sort of watch the gauges.

    Back in 1976 Jimmy Carter tried to usurp this political system and I think was surprised and unprepared for the consequences of being a true outsider. Carter paid heavily for his political naivety and got rode out of town in short order to make room for the conventional Reagan who was easily manipulated by everyone really.

    Donald Trump took all this in and realized that if Washington is ever going to be changed the change agent had to be tougher than Carter (a bully) who wasn't going to take crap from anyone. He/she would need to choose the most dedicated base to be relied on and play from there. Trump knew what to say, how to say it and when to say it.

    Don't forget that through the years Trump was making a name for himself and establishing important relationships. I won't go as far as to say that Trump planned all this way back, but there definitely came a point when he realized that everything was as right as it was going to get for him to make his move. He felt the waters in 2012 and began his play.

    Business people are taught to take a failed opportunity or broken mechanism and either turn it around to make it work or allow it to die, indeed assist in the dying process to remove the thing from view. It's a do or die mentality. What they tend to do is put their best people in the process to maneuver around and work at it. If the people chosen, who are all outside convention, can be convinced of whatever the facts are after being exposed to them as Trump's appointees will be, then he'll adapt, but what Trump is showing above all else is that he's not afraid of consequences either way. He'll man-up and tell what's been found.

    There is some faith involved in all this. First, Trump has faith that his appointees will be loyal to him. Secondly, he has to have faith that once he comes face to face with all the facts, his supporters will stick with him regardless of the outcome. That's a lot of faith.

    The other thing to be aware of is that business people create facades quite intentionally, and Trumps picks are obviously people who have gotten everyone's attention. That's no mistake! He's creating discomfort for both the right and the left. Both want him gone.

    eta: I didn't vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, but he is president now, so we might as well give the guy a chance.

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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    Well, I hope for the sake of the USA that you are right. I don't see any sort of plan other than self aggrandisement. He has already shown that nepotism is fine with him, along with being above the law and using the fact he will be President to further his business interests - I believe he's already put pressure on Venezuela (I think) to stop opposing one of his hotels and they caved immediately.

    I have not, ever, seen any sign that Trump is interested in anything other than himself. You don't have a choice any more about giving him a chance. He will be in charge and I don't think even a Watergate would stop him because most of his supporters won't believe anything bad about him at all. If women voted for him after his attitude became apparent in deeds not words he can get away with anything, and will.
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    Re: The apparent legality of harassment

    A case in point is Christie Todd Whitman who was appointed by Dubya to head the EPA. Whitman had been known as a climate denier when she was appointed. I recently read a piece on her from The BBC where she explains that after being exposed to all the information and scientific facts of climate change her mind was changed. The article points out that she hopes Trump's pick will be open to all the facts, and if he is he'll advise Trump accordingly.

    Christine Todd Whitman, head of the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) under George W Bush, accused Mr Trump of ignoring compelling science.
    And she warned that his threat to scrap climate protection policies puts the world's future at risk.
    Trump supporters say rules on climate and energy are stifling business.
    But Ms Todd Whitman says the US must find ways of promoting business without unduly harming the planet.

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    But Ms Todd Whitman said she hoped the new administration did not prove to be as extreme as it appeared at first sight.
    "Once he's in office, Pruitt will find it's a lot more complicated than they thought," she said. "Hopefully they'll be able to listen - and then start to moderate.
    "Regulation can go too far and there probably are regulations that have outlived their usefulness and need to be cut back to a degree… but to throw it all out…"
    http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-38484730

    I think in Trump's mind, if the hardliner he's appointed can be convinced then there's got to be a reality to it. What his argument will be to his supporters will be one of - look, you saw who I put in there. I assure you, it's real.

    I think the same goes for his pick on Israel. While it's no secret that the Trump family is a family of Jewish wannabes (which is actually common within the NY world of affluence), I think he'll assess the situation after giving net-in-yahoo a guy he wants. If after all that a two state solution is still not achievable, Trump will know it's all a charade, and will then act accordingly. Hopefully there will still be a few Palestinians left by then.

    I realize much of this is optimism on my part. But hey, the situation is what it is. At least I'm looking for some light here.

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    If it doesn't qualify as an assault in America then American law is defective.

    Besides, I'd have thought being related to the current President-elect qualifies as a disability any day of the week.

    Perhaps Hunter College has a contractual clause about bringing the institution into disrepute.
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