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    Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court nominee

    Ya know, the only reason I considered voting for Donald Trump for President was he promised to appoint a traditional judge to the Supreme Court.

    I have problems with the Trumphole, but at least he did fulfill his promise to appoint a judge who respects the Constitution.

    Trump picks Colo. appeals court judge Neil Gorsuch for Supreme Court

    President Trump selected Colorado federal appeals court judge Neil Gorsuch as his Supreme Court nominee on Tuesday, opting in the most important decision of his young presidency for a highly credentialed favorite of the conservative legal establishment to fill the opening created last year by the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.

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    Re: Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court nominee

    This guy seems to be a level-headed sort. Of the three top runners, he would be my choice.
    Here in Boulder County the talk is all on his connection to 'Whizzer'
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    Re: Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court nominee

    By traditional do you mean one that will impose his religious beliefs on issues like family planing and marriage?

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    Re: Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court nominee

    He's widely regarded as "a proponent of originalism and textualism in interpreting the U.S. Constitution".

    It seems to me there are two ways of doing this Supreme Court judging thing. Either you know beforehand what result you want to achieve and then find arguments to justify your choice of verdict, or you put your best legal argument for and against into your judicial scales and then discover the result and adopt it. I see no evidence that this chap, unlike the dead bastard he's replacing, makes his mind up beforehand.
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    He sounds like a strict legal type which is fair enough. Shrug. Proof of the pudding is in the eating.
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    Re: Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    He's widely regarded as "a proponent of originalism and textualism in interpreting the U.S. Constitution".

    It seems to me there are two ways of doing this Supreme Court judging thing. Either you know beforehand what result you want to achieve and then find arguments to justify your choice of verdict, or you put your best legal argument for and against into your judicial scales and then discover the result and adopt it. I see no evidence that this chap, unlike the dead bastard he's replacing, makes his mind up beforehand.
    Emphasis mine.

    in his 2006 book The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia, Gorsuch wrote that he opposed euthanasia and assisted suicide and that "all human beings are intrinsically valuable and the intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong."
    That's a loaded statement.

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    Re: Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court nominee

    Statements are either axioms - something which has to be accepted as a given fact and cannot be demonstrated - or it's a derived truth and dependent on axioms. Every system of logic is based on previously agreed axiomatic definitions of fact. He's laying out his axioms. He has to before he can derive anything. The point of laying out your definitions is that if anyone then disagrees with an axiom, they know in advance they'll have no basis for accepting the derivations. You can then either walk away or negotiate what's axiomatic and start deriving from that new standpoint.

    I could, for example, ask for the axioms to be changed to:

    1. all citizens are intrinsically valuable

    2. the intentional killing of citizens is always wrong

    3. human life exists when that life can probably be self-sustained for at least four weeks.

    I could then make derived law:

    a) abortion of citizens after 20 weeks is a crime

    b) killing terminally ill citizens within the last month of respite is not a crime

    c) non-citizens can be legally killed

    so deciding what's an axiomatic truth in a legal system is essential. That's what Gorsuch is doing in the passage you quoted. I presume he has abstracted those axioms from Constitutional law and can demonstrate that they're an accurate precis.

    My example axioms, for instance, would allow gun-owning citizens to eliminate the alleged problem of undocumented residents and tourists very quickly at no cost to the government, I ended the death penalty and allowed involuntary euthanasia of terminally ill patients, which brings up the other area: ethical axioms.
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    Re: Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    By traditional do you mean one that will impose his religious beliefs on issues like family planing and marriage?
    I do hope that he is beyond such antics. But we will have to wait and see.
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    Re: Neil Gorsuch, Supreme Court nominee

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    By traditional do you mean one that will impose his religious beliefs on issues like family planing and marriage?
    My bad for not being more clear as it has nothing to do with what you just posted.

    “originalist” or "textualist" would be more clear in that the Constitution is a contract where its words and intent matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    This guy seems to be a level-headed sort. Of the three top runners, he would be my choice.
    Here in Boulder County the talk is all on his connection to 'Whizzer'
    For him, is that a good thing?
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