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    Where is the moral high ground

    The UK missed the opportunity of settling the residency and work rights of EU citizens currently in or outside the UK.

    It could have unilaterally announced, and still could, that all EU citizens working or resident in the UK on the completion of the separation in two years' time will retain the permanent right to live and work in England.

    I don't see how the EU negotiators could then have not reciprocated with UK residents abroad in the EU. It would have become a moral imperative beyond negotiation.
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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    The UK missed the opportunity of settling the residency and work rights of EU citizens currently in or outside the UK.

    It could have unilaterally announced, and still could, that all EU citizens working or resident in the UK on the completion of the separation in two years' time will retain the permanent right to live and work in England.

    I don't see how the EU negotiators could then have not reciprocated with UK residents abroad in the EU. It would have become a moral imperative beyond negotiation.
    and it would have had knock on effects with other parts of the negotiations.

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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

    Given Spain's veto I don't think there's the slightest chance of any EU agreement on anything unless Ms May sells Gibraltar down the river. She may prove to be that duplicitous but one hopes not. That veto might well prevent a right to reside and work, in the end.
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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

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    Given Spain's veto I don't think there's the slightest chance of any EU agreement on anything unless Ms May sells Gibraltar down the river. She may prove to be that duplicitous but one hopes not. That veto might well prevent a right to reside and work, in the end.
    If the other members see a Spanish veto blocking a deal that they want to do then the pressure of Spain not to use it will be enormous (although never visible). I cannot see the other states giving any of their negotiating positions up to pander to Spain's territorial ambitions.

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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

    It is Spain's one and only chance to get back what we... acquired, that might be the word. No other chance will ever arise. They have been trying since Columbus sailed, or soon thereafter. They would do it even if we threatened to shut down the Santander in revenge (a proposal I actually heard on Radio 4 this evening).
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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    It is Spain's one and only chance to get back what we... acquired, that might be the word. No other chance will ever arise. They have been trying since Columbus sailed, or soon thereafter. They would do it even if we threatened to shut down the Santander in revenge (a suggestion I actually heard on Radio 4 this evening).
    Yes, we acquired Gibraltar - the Spanish ceded it to us in the Treaty of Utrecht in 1713 and ratified that treaty in 1763 and 1783.

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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

    Very proper too, Gibraltar.

    1713 is "soon after", I did cover myself.

    I see the Third Reich might blow up the boat race tomorrow.
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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

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    Very proper too, Gibraltar.

    1713 is "soon after", I did cover myself.

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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

    200+ years later is "soon after"...

    That's a long view.
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    Re: Where is the moral high ground

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    Maybe apain will set an example and give up their territories in africa.

    The battle over Ceuta, Spain's African Gibraltar - Telegraph

    Although it's not quite the same. Wonder what the channel islands and the isle of man will do if the UK loses the finacial services passport - join with scotland perhaps?

    Incidentally the spanish giovernment is now on record as saying it would not veto scottish membershipm of the eu after independence.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ies-to-join-eu

    Alfonso Dastis, the Spanish foreign minister, made it clear that the government would not block an independent Scotland’s EU hopes, although he stressed that Madrid would not welcome the disintegration of the UK.

    He also said Edinburgh would have to apply for membership, a process fraught with uncertainty that is likely to take several years. But asked directly whether Spain would veto an independent Scotland joining the EU, Dastis said: “No, we wouldn’t.”
    Funnily enough the daily mail and telegraph don't seem to be reporting it at the moment.

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