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    Re: Making a list and checking it twice

    There's two sorts of aid. There's what goes in to save lives after a natural catastrophe, and that's a very rare beast. I think there should be fast-response groups who do that. The vast majority of aid is long-term and is invariably destructive.

    If you set up food aid, you collapse the local producers and the local market and destroy the local economy for generations to come. I think aid destroying markets is far and away the biggest and worst consequence.

    Most long-term aid fuels corruption, personal and institutional.

    Most of the aid is self-serving and tied to local policy choices.

    Rogue administrations are propped up by foreign aid in exchange for a compliant foreign policy, it's effectively national bribery.

    Get rid of the whole thing, ban aid entirely, countries will thrive on the flat playing field they've never had since colonialism started.
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    Will there ever be a level playing field trade wise ?
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    Will there ever be a level playing field trade wise ?
    I'd be delighted to see countries choose their own internal market policies. At the moment if a country chooses to place barriers against international imports it's destroyed by entities like the World Bank. If I were bringing a poor country to a point where it could provide livable conditions for all its residents, I'd give priority to the internal market.
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    Re: Making a list and checking it twice

    Quote Originally Posted by tude dog View Post
    Has anybody been listening to that Guy?

    He questions what do we get in return for the billions upon billions of dollars going to other countries?

    Really, all the billions upon billions of dollars we send overseas.

    Think about it.
    Well, I think China would be only too happy to fill the gap the withdrawal of US aid left. Who so you then think would have influence over that country? Heck, if the UK wasn't messing the EU around with brexit I'd be suggesting the EU step in. I hope they do if needed.

    Aid is influence, soft power. You are giving that up it seems to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clodhopper View Post
    Aid is influence, soft power. You are giving that up it seems to me.
    Aid is unethical bribery, and the one thing the world needs at the moment is America focused on the American Homeland and not abroad.
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    Aid is unethical bribery, and the one thing the world needs at the moment is America focused on the American Homeland and not abroad.
    I don't know the current state of play on the matter, but I seem to remember the Commonwealth was involved something called intermediate technology. It meant not bringing in modern technology, but for example introducing a more efficient irrigation method like an Archimedes screw that hadn't been known in the region before that the locals could make and maintain themselves.

    There is little that corruption cannot damage and Aid is often particularly vulnerable, I agree.

    I'm not sure where Charity stops and Aid starts, but I saw a rather special example when I was in India. The wife of a senior UK diplomat there had arranged with Women's Institutes in England to knit jerseys for the slum children because Delhi winters can get down to freezing. Some container loads arrived and she went through Indian Customs like a Juggernaut. Chuckle. I don't know what happened in later years, but I do know there were a lot of kids warmer that winter than there otherwise would have been.
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    Well, I think China would be only too happy to fill the gap the withdrawal of US aid left.
    China has now replaced the UK in Zimbabwe, flooding the place with cheap stuff and funding infrastructure projects, according to my sources.
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    Re: Making a list and checking it twice

    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    No, Not Santa, but The Donald

    What do you guys think of this:

    us to take names in united nations vote on jerusalem recognition

    Donald will take names of those nations who vote against the US position on Jerusalem
    Not sure what he plans to do with that list, but how many nations do you think will be intimidated by such a comment?
    It stinks!

    And the stated intent is to cut funding to those countries that vote against the US. That's not diplomacy, that's blackmail.

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    I'm sure it's always been said in the past by diplomats with filed teeth, behind the scenes, as a matter of routine. It's quite refreshing to see it said in public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    China has now replaced the UK in Zimbabwe, flooding the place with cheap stuff and funding infrastructure projects, according to my sources.
    How has this disadvantaged the man in the street in Zimbabwe, do you suppose. It sounds ideal.
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