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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

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    What about the poor guy who was killed?
    What about his family and friends who have to live knowing how this boy died.
    How about all those traumatized people on the bus who had to watch this.

    No, no forget all that, the poor guy was sick… poor fella
    How does that differ from the guy crashing a faulty car? Seriously, I'm lost here. How's it different?
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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

    globeandmail.com: Li found not criminally responsible in case of man decapitated on bus

    When an individual has proven beyond a doubt ( witinessed by 36 people ) that he is dangerous to the public , shouldn't the safety of the majority become more important then the treatment of the one?
    Mr. Li, 40, will face a mental-health review within 90 days, and subsequent annual reviews to determine if he is fit for release. He will not have a criminal record.
    Okay, the court has ruled he isn't criminally responsible for the murder , how does this translate into a 'clean record' ?? Isn't this just ill logical and irresponsible on the courts part to not make every effort to insure this record of what 36 people witnessed him do be like a neon sign around his neck so any time in the future anyone that comes in contact with this butcher will know what he's capable of??

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    With those words, Mr. Li, who was charged with second-degree murder, could spend life in a psychiatric facility rather than a 25-year life sentence in jail.
    "He could be locked up in a hospital for the rest of his life," Crown attorney Joyce Dalmyn said outside the court. "I feel the judge did his job properly and reached the correct conclusion."
    do you notice that both the Court of Queen's Bench Justice and the Crown attorney use the word 'could ' when commenting on the hospital and his being placed in one.
    What will they do with him if "god" starts talking to him again and he does the same thing to a nurse or Doctor ,one of the other patients ?



    He has 'fled the hospital without permission before whats to stop him for doing it again? and if he does, what to do with him if "god" starts talking to him and another innocent person just happens to have the bad luck to be sitting next to him?

    Mr. Li was involuntarily admitted to an Ontario hospital and diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005 after he was found wandering on a Toronto highway. Though a physician determined his agitated mental state would likely result in bodily harm against himself or others, Mr. Li fled the hospital without permission
    I know nothing about this guys mental illness , but how is it that he can 'understand' the courts ruling but not be held criminally responsible for the murder that caused a ruling to be made?
    Mr. Li's lawyer told reporters his client understood the
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    I realise no one here is a 'Queen's Bench Justice' or a 'Crown attorney' so all my questions are just that questions, but no matter how I look at what this guy did to that 22 year old innocent man asleep in the seat next to him the only thing that comes to mind is , we would humanely and quickly 'put down' an animal that had done anything even vaguely resembling what this butcher did and the animal has no more of an 'understanding' and actually would be 'the nature of the beast' . All my questions are just showing my complete lack of understanding of the guy not being put out of his misery and assuring the safety of the public at the same time.
    I am in total agreement with what both mikeinie and Jester say about this guy.
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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    How does that differ from the guy crashing a faulty car? Seriously, I'm lost here. How's it different?
    What car? There was no car, it was a bus, he stabbed, killed, and cut off the head of an innocent man, how is this related to a faulty car???

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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinie View Post
    What car? There was no car, it was a bus, he stabbed, killed, and cut off the head of an innocent man, how is this related to a faulty car???
    How about if I copy my post forward, if you've not read the thread and seen it.
    If someone owns a car and has it taken in regularly for maintenance and one day a steering link shatters while he's driving and a passing pedestrian is killed in the ensuing crash, do people here think the driver should be convicted of murder? Or convicted of anything at all? Because that's exactly what happened in this case. There was absolutely no intention to harm anyone, there was simply a broken part. Maybe it's mendable, maybe it isn't, but to call this murder is to abuse the language.
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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    How about if I copy my post forward, if you've not read the thread and seen it.
    If someone owns a car and has it taken in regularly for maintenance and one day a steering link shatters while he's driving and a passing pedestrian is killed in the ensuing crash, do people here think the driver should be convicted of murder? Or convicted of anything at all? Because that's exactly what happened in this case. There was absolutely no intention to harm anyone, there was simply a broken part. Maybe it's mendable, maybe it isn't, but to call this murder is to abuse the language.
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    The difference in intent.

    If you drove the car into the group of people, then reversed over them again, then drove forward and hit them again to ensure that they were dead, then an expert said, ‘the steering rod snapped’ he could not control the car.

    There are plenty of medically ill people who are treated and don’t go around slaughtering people.
    What is that young victim was you son? Your brother? Would you feel so sorry for the killer?

    You can accidently drive into someone and really not mean to kill someone, but how do you cut off someone’s head with a knife and not mean to do it?

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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by mikeinie View Post
    OH!
    The difference in intent.

    If you drove the car into the group of people, then reversed over them again, then drove forward and hit them again to ensure that they were dead, then an expert said, ‘the steering rod snapped’ he could not control the car.

    There are plenty of medically ill people who are treated and don’t go around slaughtering people.
    What is that young victim was you son? Your brother? Would you feel so sorry for the killer?

    You can accidently drive into someone and really not mean to kill someone, but how do you cut off someone’s head with a knife and not mean to do it?
    Just think, the jury must have had all these notions too before they became educated in the duty of the court.

    If you drove the car into the group of people, then reversed over them again, then drove forward and hit them again to ensure that they were dead, no expert would say "he could not control the car".

    The man in the case was in exactly the position I described, nothing to do with your extrapolation. Why not try answering what I asked and then we'll both feel we've communicated?
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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    How about if I copy my post forward, if you've not read the thread and seen it.
    If someone owns a car and has it taken in regularly for maintenance and one day a steering link shatters while he's driving and a passing pedestrian is killed in the ensuing crash, do people here think the driver should be convicted of murder? Or convicted of anything at all? Because that's exactly what happened in this case. There was absolutely no intention to harm anyone, there was simply a broken part. Maybe it's mendable, maybe it isn't, but to call this murder is to abuse the language.

    Okay, about this 'broken' car, if the mechanic that has worked on this car knows the steering link is weak and will cause damage to property or other drivers and has it in the garage but doesn't do all he should to make sure the car is either fixed or not being driven , and the car is taken out on the road and the steering link shatters killing some one , what then ?
    Who should take responsibility for the broken car being out on the road/ The owner, the mechanic or the car it's self or the person the car killed? Maybe whoever had filled the tank with fuel last ?

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    Mr. Li was involuntarily admitted to an Ontario hospital and diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005 after he was found wandering on a Toronto highway. Though a physician determined his agitated mental state would likely result in bodily harm against himself or others, Mr. Li fled the hospital without permission
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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty


    the dude had no prior mental health issues. (I thought am off to confirm) Ok his condition apparently was untreated.... I see ok so that is ok for him to killl NOT!!!!!
    the dude hacked this kid up with a buck knife.... a buck knife I want to know if this dude carried this buck knife with him daily like many hunter type do? If not then hmmm what made him take the buck knife onto the bus that day??? Hmmmmm???

    again my correction here it states his mental issues were untreated... fine however.... I still side with Mcleans mother.


    Bloody idiotic if you ask me. You know the police had to wait for the a$$ to finish his deed on the bus before they could enter and arrest him... they took the kid out in pieces.

    All the power to Mcleans mother for starting up some kind of action to get rid of this bloody insanity bull *****!!!!
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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

    Yes there were prior mental health issues.

    Mr. Li was involuntarily admitted to an Ontario hospital and diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005 after he was found wandering on a Toronto highway. Though a physician determined his agitated mental state would likely result in bodily harm against himself or others, Mr. Li fled the hospital without permission


    My heart goes out to the mother of the young man that was murdered .


    Mr. McLean's mother vowed to prevent Mr. Li from ever being released.
    "I'm going to fight to keep everyone safe from him," Carol deDelley said. "If it means going [to mental-health hearings] every year, I'll go every year. Instead of birthday parties, it'll be hearings."

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    Re: Canada's bus beheading man found not guilty

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    Yes there were prior mental health issues.

    Mr. Li was involuntarily admitted to an Ontario hospital and diagnosed with schizophrenia in 2005 after he was found wandering on a Toronto highway. Though a physician determined his agitated mental state would likely result in bodily harm against himself or others, Mr. Li fled the hospital without permission


    My heart goes out to the mother of the young man that was murdered .





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