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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

    I notice that the US Government does, itself, have film of the shooting which would, if made public, clear up the question of what actually happened.

    A lawsuit has now been filed in U.S. District Court in El Paso by the parents of the dead 15 year old naming the Department of Homeland Security, The U.S. Border Patrol, the U.S. Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement, and an "unnamed agent" of the U.S. Border Patrol as defendants, simply in an attempt to gain access to the border camera video and "see it and get a better look at it".

    Governments are at their most detestable when they hold secrets for their own convenience. Government employees are at their most despicable when they choose to raise legal barriers at the expense of truth.
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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

    I was pondering some theories on why the US might refuse to co-operate on the grounds that people on American soil can't be subjected to prosecution in another country. Whether or not the US looks into the matter in a way that answers questions and satisfies expectations of outsiders will either lend to their credibility as a moral leader or take away from it.

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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

    The case attempting to gather more information has been dismissed.

    Suit dismissed in shooting death of Jurez boy by Border Patrol agent - El Paso Times

    "The ruling basically says that because the boy was shot in Mexico, there are no statutes that would apply in suing the U.S. government". Somewhat tortuous, that. It's common ground that the boy was stood on Mexican territory when he was shot by someone stood in the USA, and here's a US court saying it has no jurisdiction? Justice is thin gruel in America. The killer can't be prosecuted in Mexico because he can't be extradited there to stand trial.

    The boy wasn't shot in Mexico at all, he was in Mexico when he was shot.
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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

    And, after rather a long time, the news has been slipped out that yes, US border patrols do have immunity from prosecution.
    Citing insufficient evidence, U.S. federal authorities opted not to prosecute a Customs and Border Protection officer in the fatal 2010 shooting of 15-year-old Sergio Hernandez-Guereca in a spillway on the Rio Grande river along the U.S.-Mexico border near El Paso, TX.

    [...] Hearing the news on April 27, the Mexican government issued a statement saying it "profoundly regrets and expresses its strong opposition to the decision.” It issued a diplomatic protest to the U.S. government and noted the decision didn’t mean the case against the Border Patrol agent is over in Mexican courts, nor that the civil actions taken by the victim’s relatives in U.S. courts have expired.
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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

    The US Supreme Court is setting this aside until the newbie arrives and breaks the 4:4 deadlock. I'm pleased it's not just been set to one side and forgotten, the killing is still a national disgrace.
    US officials chose not to prosecute agent Jesus Mesa Jr in the killing of the Mexican teenager, and the Obama administration refused a request to extradite him so that he could face criminal charges in Mexico.

    The Trump administration, like its predecessor, is arguing that the location of the teenager’s death, in Mexico, should be the end of the story.

    Deputy solicitor general Edwin Kneedler told the court that even if the victim had been American and all the other circumstances had been the same, the lawsuit should be thrown out.

    But Kneedler and Mesa’s lawyer both acknowledged that someone killed by an agent on the US side of the culvert could sue. “That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, does it? To distinguish these two victims?” Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2017...-supreme-court
    It's rather like all these US gunships and B2s killing civilians abroad. If they did it on Homeland soil they'd be held to account, but foreigners? Who cares.
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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

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    They do seem to keep killing people
    Seven years ago. How many killed since?
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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    And, after rather a long time, the news has been slipped out that yes, US border patrols do have immunity from prosecution.[indent]Citing insufficient evidence,
    We are a nation of laws, not mob rule. Not sorry if that offends anyone.
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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

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    Seven years ago. How many killed since?
    Who counts? Do you think statistics are published by any US agency relating to deaths or killings on the US-Mexico border?

    Your Federal government is shamefully bad at gathering or publishing national social statistics.

    In very similar circumstances, someone famously bragged that "we don't do body counts". On one side there's ethical behavior, and on the other side there's Americans in uniforms.
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    Re: Do US border patrols have immunity from prosecution?

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    Who counts? Do you think statistics are published by any US agency relating to deaths or killings on the US-Mexico border?
    Yes, I do. In fact, I would expect it to be done in more than abundance.

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    Your Federal government is shamefully bad at gathering or publishing national social statistics.
    I don't even know what that means.

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    In very similar circumstances, someone famously bragged that "we don't do body counts".
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