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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Trump clearly qualifies on most of that list.
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0eb58648b817b

    As tyrants take control of democracies, they typically:

    1. Exaggerate their mandate to govern – claiming, for example, that they won an election by a landslide even after losing the popular vote.

    2. Repeatedly claim massive voter fraud in the absence of any evidence, in order to restrict voting in subsequent elections.

    3. Call anyone who opposes them “enemies.”

    4. Turn the public against journalists or media outlets that criticize them, calling them “deceitful” and “scum.”

    5. Hold few if any press conferences, preferring to communicate with the public directly through mass rallies and unfiltered statements.

    6. Tell the public big lies, causing them to doubt the truth and to believe fictions that support the tyrants’ goals.

    7. Blame economic stresses on immigrants or racial or religious minorities, and foment public bias and even violence against them.

    8. Attribute acts of domestic violence to “enemies within,” and use such events as excuses to beef up internal security and limit civil liberties.

    9. Threaten mass deportations, registries of religious minorities, and the banning of refugees.

    10. Seek to eliminate or reduce the influence of competing centers of power, such as labor unions and opposition parties.

    11. Appoint family members to high positions of authority

    12. Surround themselves with their own personal security force rather than a security detail accountable to the public.

    13. Put generals into top civilian posts

    14. Make personal alliances with foreign dictators.

    15. Draw no distinction between personal property and public property, profiteering from their public office.

    Maybe that's more of an American opinion?
    Just thought I'd remind Mark Aspam

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Just thought I'd remind Mark Aspam
    Well first of all, there are two "lists" in this thread, similar but not identical.

    The first MAY BE from the Holocaust Museum as gmc claims.The second seems to be roughly based on the first with some twists, paraphrases and additions.

    But I don't understand the 'reminder'. If I understand you correctly, you are just reinforcing my point - that many non-Americans seem ignorant, or perhaps misinformed - as to how the American government works.

    A tyrant or dictatorship in the USA is virtually impossible. Of course it is possible to call names, that is in most cases mere political babble, as I remarked earlier.

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    You are quite close to dictatorship in the US now. Your system at present is stopping it happening but if key legal, political and administrative appointments were to end up in the wrong hands your checks and balances wouldn't happen and there seem to be those who have an idea of what those appointments are.

    Not saying it will happen, just complacency is unwise. As we have learned over here. And I do think there are connections between Trump's election and brexit.
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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clodhopper View Post
    You are quite close to dictatorship in the US now.
    With all due respect, I think you've hopped one too many clods.

    I didn't quote the rest of your post because it is so general as to be meaningless. But I will certainly read anything SPECIFIC about what you think will occur in the USA's near future.

    Then we can wait and see if you're right. Fair?

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    If you just go by Trump's tweets, it seems that his desires fall nicely into the list.

    I hope the restraints built into the system mitigate most of those desires.

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wandrin View Post
    If you just go by Trump's tweets, it seems that his desires fall nicely into the list.

    I hope the restraints built into the system mitigate most of those desires.
    Very well put, and Trump becomes more and more vulnerable to impeachment day by day.

    Richard Nixon, by far our worst president prior to Trump, actually hired some two-bit thugs to break into a psychiatrist's office and steal his files. As I recall he resigned just ahead of impeachment. Sad, since he DID open the door to Communist China, pretty much the only good thing he ever accomplished.

    Trump has accomplished nothing and will keep on doing so until stopped. Hopefully, impeachment is not far off.

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Aspam View Post
    Richard Nixon, by far our worst president prior to Trump,
    Nixon was bad, yes, but worse than Reagan, the Bushes or Andrew Jackson?

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    Nixon was bad, yes, but worse than Reagan, the Bushes or Andrew Jackson?
    Let's not forget Harding.

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

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    BULLETIN: Noon D.C. time: CBS reports that impeachment proceedings against Trump have begun.

    There will, no doubt, be much more information on the evening news.

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