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    Early warning signs of fascism.

    I appreciate some of the US posters would not recognise a fascist if they met one. This might help.

    https://www.indy100.com/article/dona...museum-7554621

    The list is from the holocaust museum.

    Powerful and continuing nationalism
    Disdain for human rights
    Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
    Supremacy of the military
    Rampant sexism
    Controlled mass media
    Obsession with national security
    Religion and government intertwined
    Corporate power protected
    Labor [sic] power suppressed
    Disdain for intellectuals & the arts
    Obsession with crime & punishment

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by gmc View Post
    I appreciate some of the US posters would not recognise a fascist if they met one. This might help. The list is from the holocaust museum.
    Well, it's a good list.

    But can you be specific regarding which of these you feel that US posters in general are or may be unaware?

    I'm not saying that there aren't any, nor am I asking for names. The list IN GENERAL seems pretty accurate to me, though MANY more items could be added.

    But why single out Americans?

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    As a Brit I recognise a worrying rise in quite a few in that list.
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    As a Brit I recognise a worrying rise in quite a few in that list.
    In general or in the USA? If the latter, please give some examples.

    I see several on the list that I cannot by ANY stretch of the imagination apply to the USA.

    There's certainly no controlled mass media - quite the opposite.

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    As a Brit I recognise a worrying rise in quite a few in that list.
    Yep here too.
    we used to have a police force for every state with of course all their different departments.....I've lost count now of all the different law enforcement 'agencies'. It's gotten so silly ......................and a little bit scary.

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Not in the USA but definitely the UK, although you might be standing too close to see your own.

    The rise of nationalism, enemy as a unifying cause (Islam), mass media in a few rich hands, Corporations protected, workers power suppressed, cronyism & corruption, election fraud claims, sexism raising it's head, and finally.......... concerns for immigrant human rights.
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0eb58648b817b

    As tyrants take control of democracies, they typically:

    1. Exaggerate their mandate to govern – claiming, for example, that they won an election by a landslide even after losing the popular vote.

    2. Repeatedly claim massive voter fraud in the absence of any evidence, in order to restrict voting in subsequent elections.

    3. Call anyone who opposes them “enemies.”

    4. Turn the public against journalists or media outlets that criticize them, calling them “deceitful” and “scum.”

    5. Hold few if any press conferences, preferring to communicate with the public directly through mass rallies and unfiltered statements.

    6. Tell the public big lies, causing them to doubt the truth and to believe fictions that support the tyrants’ goals.

    7. Blame economic stresses on immigrants or racial or religious minorities, and foment public bias and even violence against them.

    8. Attribute acts of domestic violence to “enemies within,” and use such events as excuses to beef up internal security and limit civil liberties.

    9. Threaten mass deportations, registries of religious minorities, and the banning of refugees.

    10. Seek to eliminate or reduce the influence of competing centers of power, such as labor unions and opposition parties.

    11. Appoint family members to high positions of authority

    12. Surround themselves with their own personal security force rather than a security detail accountable to the public.

    13. Put generals into top civilian posts

    14. Make personal alliances with foreign dictators.

    15. Draw no distinction between personal property and public property, profiteering from their public office.

    Maybe that's more of an American opinion?

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    There are many signs in far too many countries to name, I think.
    "The trouble with people isn't that they don't know, but that they know so much that ain't so."
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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Aspam View Post
    Well, it's a good list.

    But can you be specific regarding which of these you feel that US posters in general are or may be unaware?

    I'm not saying that there aren't any, nor am I asking for names. The list IN GENERAL seems pretty accurate to me, though MANY more items could be added.

    But why single out Americans?
    I singled out americans not out od any disdain but to provoke a general discussion.Apart from british and american and then odd antipodean there isn't any other nationality to discuss these things with on the forum.

    Most of the british posters know what the terms socialism and fascism, left and right are all about and we have a common ground for discussio. Americans - or some anyway- seem to conflate liberalism/socialism/communism and don't recognise right wing ideology for what it is. As to your question I would say

    Powerful and continuing nationalism
    Disdain for human rights
    Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
    Supremacy of the military
    Rampant sexism
    Controlled mass media
    Obsession with national security
    Religion and government intertwined
    Corporate power protected
    Labor [sic] power suppressed
    Disdain for intellectuals & the arts
    Obsession with crime & punishment

    Actually all of them except maybe a controlled mass media but that doesn't have to be controlled by the government being controlled by a few individual companies or individuals is a variation on the theme. Maybe not supremacy of the military either but to outside eyes the us is very much a militaristic society. I would also add power and wealth being contrated into a few hands to the detriment of society as a whole.

    Bear in mind I am using a very broad brush I'm not intending tio insult anyone. I can find sectors of our society that display all the characteristics as well we have our poppy fascists trying to re-write the history of ww1 as a glorious victory for democracy - that most of the combatants were not allowed to vote, amongst other things, escapes their memory all too readily. There were mutinies in the armies of all sides and the remembreance day was started not as a jingoistic patriotic celebration but to remember the fallen and the utter pointless obscenity of it all - the last recognisable imperialist war. then we had ww2 and the emopires are arming for war yet again. (dramatic eh) The irony is of course that the nazis are still around and running rampant yet again exceot this time the opposition seems emasculated. Those of liberal views are always slow to pick up arms but they always do in the end.

    At least our right wing nutjobs and racist thugs can't get their hands on guns and our police are unarmed so that they cannot be used to suppress the populace.

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    Re: Early warning signs of fascism.

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    We have one more aspect of this that has yet to come. Convince the upper middle classes that the poor are about to rise up. Then you will know without a doubt.
    In America the poorest seem to be black (in most parts) There are already rumblings in the populace all around the world on the subject of the Rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer without any real logical explanation for it.
    It will come and the leaders know it....Hence the points being made in that list.

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