Cancer incidence & progression Vitamin d status.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by tedhutchinson

there is absolutely no profit in using Vitamin D3. It is made from the biproducts of the wool and fish processing industries and is not patentable.
You will see if you study pubmed that they are trying to make patentable analogues of vitamin d so they can make a profit from it but while until then they will studiously ignore the fact that people diagnosed treated when 25(OH)D status is high have a better prognosis than those diagnosed/treated when D3 status is low.

I can't see what you have to lose, apart from the few $ effective strength 5000iu D3 costs?
If I were in your shoes I'd leave no stone unturned.

Thankyou and i shall investigate it further.

[tedhutchinson]

Although this lecture is now somewhat dated 2005 Vieth Vitamin d talk it does have a section on Prostate Cancer.
We actually now know far more about how 25(OH)D helps prevent cancer that Vieth know then. There are usually one or two new papers published each week specifically on Vitamin D3 and Prostate Cancer but it gives you a good starting point.

Feldman here puts a bit more detail on the story explaining how back in 2005 they thought it worked There has been a lot of work though since then that more than confirms the situation.

[oscar]

Originally Posted by tedhutchinson

Although this lecture is now somewhat dated 2005 Vieth Vitamin d talk it does have a section on Prostate Cancer.
We actually now know far more about how 25(OH)D helps prevent cancer that Vieth know then. There are usually one or two new papers published each week specifically on Vitamin D3 and Prostate Cancer but it gives you a good starting point.

Feldman here puts a bit more detail on the story explaining how back in 2005 they thought it worked There has been a lot of work though since then that more than confirms the situation.

Thankyou..... I shall read with interest.

[tedhutchinson]

Connection with Vitamin D and Cancer another 30 minuted video talk in the Grassrootshealth.org series.

I personally disagree with the idea of using 2000iu ~ 4000iu ~6000iu ~ or whatever The question should not be from the prescription point of view but from the patients perspective. The level of 25(OH)D the Human Body evolved to attain and maintain is over 60ng ~ and up to 100ng. so the lowest intake should be sufficient to attain and maintain a status of 60ng 150nmol/l minimum and that should be maintained whatever the impact of other medications the patient is on.

We wouldn't take people into hospital and deprive them of food or water: so sunlight or the Vitamin d it allows the skin to make is almost as important as food/water and access to it should not be limited unreasonably.

Skin Cancer/Sunscreen - the Dilemma

[tedhutchinson]

I've resuscitated my blog by adding some of the latest videos from Grassrootshealth on the subject of cancer and vitamin d3.

These two in particular deserve your attention.
How Vitamin D Reduces Incidence of Cancer: DINOMIT Model
This from Dr Cedric Garland lasts about 16mins and explains how low vitamin d status is implicated in the initial stages of cancer development

And this from Carole Baggerly summaries the case for using vitamin D for cancer prevention.
Vitamin D Prevents Cancer: Is It True?

The evidence supporting the association is growing fast

Here is this years research on cancer and vitamin D3

When considering what to do I feel you need to put safety first.

We know there is no danger from taking amounts of vitamin D3 below 10,000iu daily.

We know that probably most people will find 5000iu/daily will get them and keep them around 50ng 125nmol/l as safe level because that is where the lowest cancer and chronic disease occurs.

We know also that keeping your 25(OH)D at that level is dirt cheap. even cheaper if you use code WAB666 and then share your rewards $5 discount code with your friends and colleagues.

We also know it's relatively cheap and easy to regularly check your vitamin d3 status. so you will soon find out if 5000iu/daily is too little or more than is needed.

As we know that people with higher vitamin d status have least cancer incidence, have best prognosis for cancer when diagnosed, live longer, have lower recurrence rates and have lower mortality rates. The safest option is to raise status to optimal and keep it there.

Please watch Carole Baggerly's video and share it with your friends and family.

[Lon]

Originally Posted by oscar

Prostate cancer feeds on Testosterone..... Once that is depleted, it spreads. My husband was 8 on the 'Gleason scale' before he had surgery. The scale is why he was given 75% chance the cancer would re-appear as it now has. 8 comes into the catagory of most agressive and cells are extremely difficult to eradicate.
We are now waiting for a scan to see if the re-appearence has spread as it did at an alrming rate prior. I'm sorry to sound dis-missive but an 8 on the 'Gleason scale' is very difficult to halt what ever drug or vitimin is used.

I was a 7 on the Gleason scale and that was 20 years ago. Fortunately the cancer was contained within the Prostate Gland itself. Thanks to some good docs I was 100% continent in 90 days and sexually active in 6 months.
I agree, trying to stop the progression of cancer once it has begun is like closing the barn door after the horse is gone.
In addition to several Basal Cell skin cancers (removed) I currently have Non Hodgkin's Lymphoma (Waldenstrom's) and will more than likely die with it than from it. Cancer is not necessarily a the Death Sentence. Despite my three separate cancers, I have felt, and continue to feel quite well and have stayed physically active.

As for Vitamin D------------I sure got plenty of that as a youth---------that was before Sun Block lotion and was the major cause of Basal Cell Skin Cancers---------as they say---------moderation in all things.

[tedhutchinson]

Originally Posted by Lon

As for Vitamin D------------I sure got plenty of that as a youth---------that was before Sun Block lotion and was the major cause of Basal Cell Skin Cancers---------as they say---------moderation in all things.

This blog post explains the problems underlying skin cancer incidence
and this video explains why the rise in skin cancers is directly related to the increasing use of sunscreens.

Those who understand how Vitamin D synthesis is a self limiting process will be aware that by the time skin burns all the vitamin D near the skin surface will have been processed into products the body doesn't use and so isn't available to repair the damage, hence the association of excessive sun exposure with skin cancer incidence. 20~30minutes non burning full body sun exposure should provide the 5000iu your body ideally uses daily.

Cancer survival is dependent on season of diagnosis and sunlight exposure Your chance of survival is greater if you are diagnosed/treated while your vitamin d status is high.