Barack Obama's Health Care Plan Explained!

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Where in the constitution does it say we can attack soverign nations and depose their leader and install a regime more suitable to our tastes but its not working so we'll just stay until it does?

Where in Obama's health care plan does it mention attacking soverign nations?

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by hoppy

Where in Obama's health care plan does it mention attacking soverign nations?

Well it seems if were going to get excited about strictly adhering to the constitution we cant cherry pick our causes. It should be across the board. http://costofwar.com/

[Accountable]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Where in the constitution does it say we can attack soverign nations and depose their leader and install a regime more suitable to our tastes but its not working so we'll just stay until it does?

Really? That's your arguement for this massive power grab? It'd hardly stand up in court.

[Accountable]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Well it seems if were going to get excited about strictly adhering to the constitution we cant cherry pick our causes. It should be across the board. COSTOFWAR.COM - The Cost of War

I agree. We should have to declare war before spending American lives. You wanna discuss health care in a health care thread?

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Accountable

Really? That's your arguement for this massive power grab? It'd hardly stand up in court.

Its a comparison acc, a parallell worthy of consideration because it brings to light the inconsistency of your argument. Liberties are being stripped overseas but theyre not ours so its not pertinent?
If the constitution is our Bible so to speak then all violations should be be brought to the table and be given thoughtful attention to.
The war is current and the bill is current making them equally significant.
I cant separate one from the other. How can you be impartial on one injustice but not the other?
Constitutionally speaking explain why one cause trumps the other?

[spot]

Originally Posted by Accountable

I agree. We should have to declare war before spending American lives.

The total lack of we should have to declare war before spending foreign lives is what marks the lack of humanity in your point of view - there's a hundred dead foreigners for every dead American, after all. That's the current estimate of a recent UK army commander. Every one of those foreign lives is as valuable as each American loss, and unlike the American losses the great majority of the foreign ones are non-combatants.

Can you explain whether "There is no one in the USA, legally or illegally, who does not have health care available" involves an open-ended commitment to personally pay for the health care from those not covered by insurance or by Medicaid/Medicare, short of acute life-or-death emergency cover? Because that's the gap the current proposals are trying to fill for those who can't afford the sums involved to treat chronic life-threatening conditions but have no such cover.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Accountable

You wanna discuss health care in a health care thread?

Your argument to my understanding isnt about health care per say but more focused on the legalities of the constitution. You havent been discussing the details of health, youve been discussing the constitution.

[chonsigirl]

I believe the proposed health care plan violates portions of the Constitution-for my personal experience, my First Ammendment Right of freedom of religion.

Since the executive branch of our government proposed reform, the legislative branch is acting on whether to legalize it or not (in what version they decide on), that is why the Constitution is being discussed.

I would like to see Obama's Health Care Plan explained, including the Constitutionality of it. Totally on topic.

I think as Congress starts to solidify what their propsed legislation will contain, then specifics of the Health Care Plan can possibly be discussed in depth. Right now, the wheels are still turning.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by chonsigirl

I believe the proposed health care plan violates portions of the Constitution-for my personal experience, my First Ammendment Right of freedom of religion.

Since the executive branch of our government proposed reform, the legislative branch is acting on whether to legalize it or not (in what version they decide on), that is why the Constitution is being discussed.

I would like to see Obama's Health Care Plan explained, including the Constitutionality of it. Totally on topic.

I think as Congress starts to solidify what their propsed legislation will contain, then specifics of the Health Care Plan can possibly be discussed in depth. Right now, the wheels are still turning.

Yes it is on topic but I believe selective reasoning concerning constitutional objectives is also on topic.
I understand your views on abortion and Im in agreement with you but I have to revert to the countless lives lost in an illegal occupation at the cost of taxpayers. Why doesnt this bother anyone?

[Randy Spate]

Obama is a socialist and has said on several occassions this gov't run health care will lead to a single payer system.. I don't want socialized anything!