Obama: "Basic Standard Of Decency" Allows Illegals To Be Treated

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Originally Posted by cars

The insurance cards are applied for (not issued) by legal citizens, through the govt if retired, & or when employed, company group policies. They are not automatically issued to every citizen.

Can the 45 million currently uninsured adult legal US citizens also apply for them if they haven't the resources to pay for the insurance and don't qualify for medical aid? If they can then yes, "all legal US citizens have the necessary medical cards required for treatment" is a possibility.

You're still left with the problem of distinguishing legal from illegal residents in Emergency Rooms unless they're either carried at all times or stored on biometric national database for immediate proof of identity.

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by spot

Can the 45 million currently uninsured legal US citizens also apply for them if they haven't the resources to pay for the insurance and don't qualify for medical aid? If they can then yes, "all legal US citizens have the necessary medical cards required for treatment" is a possibility.

Lots of us question the number 45 million. And most other figures thrown at us by government. Look how they misjudged the "cash for clunkers" joke.

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You get a medical card from your insurance carrier, the illegals would not have one. That currently causes problems in treatment at ER's where you usually have to hsow something to receive treatment-unless you are completely knocked out and can't reach into your wallet for it.....

When my husband became ill, they must have went in his wallet, found his name and insurance carrier, and admitted him. All without notifying me.....
like his name was on their computer, they could have called me at home. But if he wasn't covered, I do not know what they would have done-maybe made him wait for treatment.

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Originally Posted by hoppy

Lots of us question the number 45 million. And most other figures thrown at us by government. Look how they misjudged the "cash for clunkers" joke.

No problem hoppy - you tell me the figure you'd rather I use in future and I'll use that instead. It might be a friendly gesture on your part if you tell me where you got it from too.

Meanwhile my question remains - can these X number of currently uninsured adult legal US citizens also apply for them if they haven't the resources to pay for the insurance and don't qualify for medical aid?

[hoppy]

Originally Posted by spot

No problem hoppy - you tell me the figure you'd rather I use in future and I'll use that instead. It might be a friendly gesture on your part if you tell me where you got it from too.

Meanwhile my question remains - can these X number of currently uninsured adult legal US citizens also apply for them if they haven't the resources to pay for the insurance and don't qualify for medical aid?

Thank you spot. Your so gracious it makes me puke.

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Originally Posted by hoppy

Thank you spot. Your so gracious it makes me puke.

You left out what figure you'd prefer I use in future. Shall we call it 20+ million currently uninsured adult legal US citizens who haven't the resources to pay for the insurance and don't qualify for medical aid? Is that low enough for you to agree it's accurate? I'm perfectly content to use that if it means we can finally discuss the issues, it's just as unsatisfactory a number as the US government's estimate of 45.

[cigar898]

Originally Posted by spot

Can the 45 million currently uninsured adult legal US citizens also apply for them if they haven't the resources to pay for the insurance and don't qualify for medical aid? If they can then yes, "all legal US citizens have the necessary medical cards required for treatment" is a possibility.

You're still left with the problem of distinguishing legal from illegal residents in Emergency Rooms unless they're either carried at all times or stored on biometric national database for immediate proof of identity.

So now you're saying the uninsured are ignorant on how to fill out paperwork???
This will be a government bureaucracy from the start if it is passed. If the government is in charge of the nations healthcare, don't be foolish and think that some type of ID will be required.
Accountability - Emergency services must be blind? Right back at you.....since the uninsured right now are able to walk into an emergency room and get care because the ER is ALREADY REQUIRED to give treatment.....why then must the taxpayers be required to pay for $1 Trillion in taxes for health care reform?
And I'm sorry to those who don't live here in the US but our health care system is broke, I admit it.......however, if you don't live here and have to apy for this monstosity......your point will be considered but it won't matter much to me. Sorry.

[cigar898]

Originally Posted by spot

No problem hoppy - you tell me the figure you'd rather I use in future and I'll use that instead. It might be a friendly gesture on your part if you tell me where you got it from too.

Meanwhile my question remains - can these X number of currently uninsured adult legal US citizens also apply for them if they haven't the resources to pay for the insurance and don't qualify for medical aid?

You just don't get the Health Care Reform Act do you........?
They will get health care.........they are now.......just walk in to any ER and they are already required by law to treat you........

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Originally Posted by cigar898

So now you're saying the uninsured are ignorant on how to fill out paperwork???

No, I'm asking whether they're allowed to apply for a medical card in such circumstances, in which case "all legal US citizens have the necessary medical cards required for treatment" is a possibility. It's a simple question to which I don't yet know the answer.

The proposed National ID Driving Licence will be available to non-drivers, it will just carry no permission to drive. I'm trying to find out whether the current medical card can be applied for when no treatment is available beyond ER provision.

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Originally Posted by cigar898

You just don't get the Health Care Reform Act do you........?
They will get health care.........they are now.......just walk in to any ER and they are already required by law to treat you........

Yes, I know that bit about the current legal position that everyone, insured or not, is treated for acute life-threatening conditions if they present themselves on any ER doorstep. The Health Care Reform Act relates more to the treatment of chronic life-threatening conditions and other health problems. "They will get health care" is inaccurate insofar as health care and emergency room treatment aren't synonyms. Health care is far more extensive.