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    Re: Tactical Voting

    The problem is that the entire election campaign is going to be based on Brexit. Believe it or not there are other issues that requires looking after on the Home Front, and just as was succinctly pointed out on Question Time, all the Tories are interested in doing is talking about Brexit & throwing abuse at Jeremy Corbyn. No policies That's their one & only Battle Plan. The thing is that they don't need to really do anything. The divisions in the Labour Party caused by the Blairites, as well as Blair himself advising Labour Members to vote Tory will win the election for her. There has been a referendum. Article 50 has been triggered. There can be no going back. Corbyn's stand is to accept it & work towards the best deal. Officially, that is May's stand as well. Therefore that should cancel each other out, but it was the same during the referendum campaign. Both Labour & Tory were campaigning to Remain, but the main tactic was to do it by slinging mud at each other. I never could understand why, when the desired outcome was the same (even though I didn't agree with it).

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    Corbyn's image has been destroyed by the right wing press. They're obsessed with persuading the public that he's not to be trusted, is friendly with terrorists, he is dangerous, is a traitor, blah, blah, blah. They are terrified of him, or at least, the billionaire owners are. They will lie and manipulate the facts to convince their readership that Labour is poison. Now the Left of the Labour Party is having to face the prospect of Blair returning to politics. He should be languishing in a prison for war crimes but instead had made more than a pretty penny on the curcuits since he left.

    Who is in politics for the right reason. Corbyn or Blair ?
    Who has lined his pockets as a result of being in politics, Corbyn or Blair ?
    Who would you trust more, Corbyn or Blair ?

    Just look at the records of them both
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    Brexit will simply swamp all other issues. They all mean a paltry few billions. I think brexit will be an order of magnitude bigger.

    Attention span. Remember climate change, anyone? Brexit hasn't gone away either. Even if you're bored with it.

    Details of this election completely irrelevant.

    The banks are going. As predicted. Big chunk of GDP going missing. We haven't even started the negotiations yet.

    Stephen Hawkings' 100 years is looking optimistic from here.

    Vote Green, Lib Dem and Remain in no particular order. I'm Lib Dem, and we'll try to hold off Goldsmith's bid to re-establish himself in the Richmond Park constituency. It'll be tricky because he's personally charming and Richmond is wealthy.

    It seems the country is however reluctantly saying it's done now, no going back. My view on that is you are trashing the country and good luck to you. Get on with it. I don't support trashing the country but you want to. I support you trashing the country since that's what you want.

    Congratulations.

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    Clodhopper................seriously ?
    The die has been cast, we have been given lemons, we used to have an enormous empire......things change.....................stop keep on looking over your shoulder.

    And I say that as a remoaner as well.

    There will be a time of transition, but we are a resilient people, down to our famously changeable weather, no good sitting on the sidelines whinging at this stage, we all need to start squeezing those lemons.
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    Absolutely. It is my patriotic duty to help destroy the country. Point me to it! What bit do you want me to trash?

    Brexit and its consequences won't simply go away because you are bored with it. I don't see why you brexit supporters (you are one now, bruv) aren't out there making up for the huge loss of business we are already beginning to suffer. Why aren't you all campaigning for your non-right wing brexit that wasn't going to happen under the tories?

    Time of transition...Brexit is going to trash the country and since you are too unconcerned to bother about it any more, nothing will stop it. Nothing you or I can do will make any difference to the massive economic forces which we will be exposed to with no protections. We will have to be the most business friendly space possible: No environmental regulations, no labour protections, no free school meals, no NHS worth the name, low taxes, no subsidies except to government approved targets like Nissan (partly owned by the French government who know the terms of the deal made to keep them when the British people don't. Sovereignty? Don't make me spit) Helping brexit means helping these processes. So vote tory for a successful brexit - at least for the very rich. Everyone else will be poorer and without as many rights.

    Turkeys who voted for and actively support Christmas. Hope you enjoy being eaten by the very rich and doffing your cap in gratitude to Liar Johnson.

    Transition period. The rest of your or my life. At least.
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    What should we all do then ?
    What are YOU doing ?

    I really want to give Corbyn the chance, so I will vote tactically and hope enough people see things the same as me, it's what passes as democracy these days.
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    I joined the Liberal Democrats officially and am helping in the election: Trying to keep Sarah Olney in and Goldsmith out. I'd vote Labour here if they were the opposition as long as they weren't brexiters. Green would be my other possible vote.
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    Larsmac re tactical voting not really working:

    Tactical voting here can work. In my constituency it's a 2 way fight between Lib Dems and Tories. Labour poll around 4%. I think Labour is actually stronger than that, but to oppose the Tories many vote Lib Dem because a Labour vote is effectively wasted. Bruv's example of voting tactically and finding his original preferred choice did better applies where there is a closer 3 way fight between the parties. In that situation I reckon he's right you're better off going with your own feelings.

    There was a Liberal/Labour electoral pact back in the 1970s (iirc) where the two parties didn't put candidates up against eachother in certain close constituencies in an attempt to maximise the anti-tory vote but it didn't work. People want the chance to express their opinion even if it's a wasted vote and dislike being denied the chance. The result was that people who might have voted tactically resented being told who to vote for and didn't vote at all.

    There was a Lib Dem candidate a few days ago reported as encouraging voters in his constituency to vote Labour since the Lib Dems had no chance there. Dunno what's happened to him. If he were a tory he'd be flogged to death by David Davis while Liar Johnson in a jester's outfit made Latin quips and Queen May looked on approvingly from the throne. Corbyn's Communists would send him on a Long March to Siberia. As a Lib Dem he's probably been belaboured briefly with balloons on sticks.
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