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    Sir Edward Heath

    Not sure "Sir" is warranted anymore.

    It has come to light that if he was alive today he would be questioned and charged (not necsesaryly convicted) over child sexual crimes dating from 1961 to 1992.....thats a long time to do a hell of a lot of damage.

    But is anyone surprised?

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    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Not sure "Sir" is warranted anymore.

    It has come to light that if he was alive today he would be questioned and charged (not necsesaryly convicted) over child sexual crimes dating from 1961 to 1992.....thats a long time to do a hell of a lot of damage.

    But is anyone surprised?
    Your facts are wrong. Nobody has said he would have been charged. Were he not twelve years in his grave he would, on the basis of seven of the allegations made against him either before or after what was acknowledged today by the police to have been a tainted appeal to the public, have been interviewed under caution.

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    Re: Sir Edward Heath

    Are we to now expect a regular procession of dead bodies to be exhumed in order to blacken their reputation once they cannot defend themselves.

    It has always been, once they are in their grave, they are allowed to rest in peace.

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    I don't mind what they do so long as they keep it to themselves instead of notifying the press. I'm not in favour of naming anyone before conviction, not for any reason whatever. I'd say being named in any sex-related context is a direct equivalent of being convicted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr View Post
    Are we to now expect a regular procession of dead bodies to be exhumed in order to blacken their reputation once they cannot defend themselves.

    It has always been, once they are in their grave, they are allowed to rest in peace.
    Honestly Bryn, if it takes that?...yes! Why should history be quashed because someone is dead. PIE had 2000 members from organisations, big business and politicians who backed them. So why not call them out?
    And its quite common for people to come forward with allegations after someone is dead, because they fear reprisal and hounding threats whilst that person is alive.

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    Re: Sir Edward Heath

    Actually, perfect example...George Pell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Actually, perfect example...George Pell.
    You already had an example - Edward Heath. And Edward Heath is an extremely poor example. Had your thread been about George Pell I'd not have posted in it. What has been published about Edward Heath carries as much conviction as an account of the doings of the Tooth Fairy whom he would have sadly resembled had he worn a tutu and carried a wand. He cannot be blamed for his freakish appearance or the incompetent social skills drummed into him at Oxford any more than so-called David Cameron can.

    Anyone who wants to may "come forward" as you put it, after a person's dead. That's fine. It's not possible to slander the dead, they have no recourse. I can announce here as fact that Les Dawson worked for ten years as a London hit man for the Kray Twins and nobody, absolutely nobody, can bring me to account for it, because Les Dawson is dead. I could not safely say the same about Barry Humphries because if I did, Barry Humphries could sue the hide off me. I take no exception to what people could say in public of Les Dawson.

    What I take exception to is the police, or any other part of the judicial system, saying it, because the police saying it carries overtones of authoritative impartial truth. Allegedly. Especially when the police become the source of the news event as they did with, for example, the subsequently exonerated Cliff Richard. And when it's the police doing it I don't care whether the person is dead or alive, I still think such an act by the police would be overstepping their territory until they get a guilty verdict under their belt. When they have a guilty verdict under their belt they're welcome to their press conference and an after-work party but not before.

    I would argue this even if every denunciation of a public figure were accurate and true. It is a secondary consideration that the majority of these historical sexual accusations against public figures are, for all anyone can tell, false, baseless inventions made by fantasists seeking publicity, excitement and financial gain. Tens of thousands of pounds in civil damages against someone's estate is a powerful incentive.
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    Re: Sir Edward Heath

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Honestly Bryn, if it takes that?...yes! Why should history be quashed because someone is dead. PIE had 2000 members from organisations, big business and politicians who backed them. So why not call them out?
    And its quite common for people to come forward with allegations after someone is dead, because they fear reprisal and hounding threats whilst that person is alive.
    Because it is all too easy to make an accusation forty years after the alleged event, no proof needed, the more famous the better and, in the public's eye, the allegation is equal to the truth.

    If PIE has two thousand members then go after them, prove a person was part of PIE, do not invite all an sundry to make accusations against a dead man who cannot defend himself or his reputation.

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    Even when someone comes forward when the person or persons are still alive and they are serving jail time there are still those who think the victims were asking for it.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...-she-consented

    Sammy Woodhouse was told by the Criminal Injuries Compensation Authority (CICA) that she was not “manipulated” despite her evidence helping to convict a ringleader of the gang last year.

    She said:
    “If an adult can privately think that it’s a child’s fault for being abused, beaten, raped, abducted, I think you’re in the wrong job
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    Woodhouse, one of the most prominent survivors of the Rotherham sex-grooming scandal, is one of nearly 700 child victims of sexual abuse who have been refused payments by CICA.
    It's hard in our times for a victim to feel able to make a complaint how much harder was in in a time when people refused to believe such things went on and that children lied to get attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    You already had an example - Edward Heath. And Edward Heath is an extremely poor example. Had your thread been about George Pell I'd not have posted in it. What has been published about Edward Heath carries as much conviction as an account of the doings of the Tooth Fairy whom he would have sadly resembled had he worn a tutu and carried a wand. He cannot be blamed for his freakish appearance or the incompetent social skills drummed into him at Oxford any more than so-called David Cameron can.

    Anyone who wants to may "come forward" as you put it, after a person's dead. That's fine. It's not possible to slander the dead, they have no recourse. I can announce here as fact that Les Dawson worked for ten years as a London hit man for the Kray Twins and nobody, absolutely nobody, can bring me to account for it, because Les Dawson is dead. I could not safely say the same about Barry Humphries because if I did, Barry Humphries could sue the hide off me. I take no exception to what people could say in public of Les Dawson.

    What I take exception to is the police, or any other part of the judicial system, saying it, because the police saying it carries overtones of authoritative impartial truth. Allegedly. Especially when the police become the source of the news event as they did with, for example, the subsequently exonerated Cliff Richard. And when it's the police doing it I don't care whether the person is dead or alive, I still think such an act by the police would be overstepping their territory until they get a guilty verdict under their belt. When they have a guilty verdict under their belt they're welcome to their press conference and an after-work party but not before.

    I would argue this even if every denunciation of a public figure were accurate and true. It is a secondary consideration that the majority of these historical sexual accusations against public figures are, for all anyone can tell, false, baseless inventions made by fantasists seeking publicity, excitement and financial gain. Tens of thousands of pounds in civil damages against someone's estate is a powerful incentive.
    I adore that post. Oh to be a conservative man in western society.
    I love that post because ive seen those words before. (Just before the royal commission into institutional child sexual abuse)......Then weirdly....silence. lol.

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