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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahso! View Post
    Who knows what is and isn't "quick" when it comes to death. I'd bet that in many cases the brain continues to function after the body quits. Near-death experiences seem to support that idea.
    Depends on blood flow to the brain.
    During the debating the opposition wanted the name of the dying agent changed to "poison".. something tells me there will be a choice of drug. Legal drugs that just overdose you. (I say that in good faith and trust though)

    The thing is though. With this legislation only a minute number of people will need it. Its not for every single person dying of an illness ....youll have to be RIGHT AT THE END .

    I remember not understanding when my nana died. I asked if she was in pain...the answer was theyve given her enough not to kill her. I was a young woman then but i just didnt get it. Shes going to be dead in the next twentyfour hours and still they wont help her. That was just too weird for my own brain to comprehend. Of course she was in pain! Exhausted! And not coming back wirh any kind if amazing resurrection. I didnt much like the woman in life but....damn i dont like to see that kind of suffering. When youre hilding someones hand and telling them they dont have to struggle anymore ....i dont know.
    She died some hours later.

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Thankyou to our politicians who debated yesterday and through the night to this morning.

    An outcome that has put many peoples hearts and minds at ease.

    Daniel Andrews our premier (although i dont always agree with him) has made a few brave decisions....and this was an exelent result. Passed by ten votes. So not a slim margin. (47 to 37).

    Its strict legislation but it has passed.
    Basically, you must have 6to 12 months to live, in agony that medication will not ileviate. And permission of two chief doctors. We may not all need this but its nice to know its there.
    This is bad because it's a slippery slope where at some point you will have to justify your right to live or they will kill you.

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    Quote Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx View Post
    This is bad because it's a slippery slope where at some point you will have to justify your right to live or they will kill you.
    Your grasp of the written word is appalling.
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    Quote Originally Posted by xfrodobagginsx View Post
    This is bad because it's a slippery slope where at some point you will have to justify your right to live or they will kill you.
    A bit like authorized Christians converting Jews at sword-point and then having them burned at the stake for still being Jewish, by the sound of it. Or like authorized Christians torturing women into confessing witchcraft, so they could burn them at the stake too. These being real events with hundreds of thousands dead, as opposed to hypothetical unlikely what-if guesses with no dead at all. Your notion of God smells of an evil well past its use-by date.
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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    If you're a christian suicide is a mortal sin and that is the origin of their moral dilema - which is fine if that is what they want to believe but they have no right to force others to live by their beliefs. They also used to believe suffering in childbirth was a woman's lot and the will of god and refused the use of anaesthetics .

    https://www.ft.com/content/1e2ce5d6-...c-000077b07658

    Doctors disagreed sharply on the risks of anaesthesia. Chloroform could complicate births, advised one obstetrician, Professor Charles Meigs: painful contractions during labour were “natural and physiological forces that the Divinity has ordained us to enjoy or to suffer”. When the Queen was again pregnant in 1850 her doctors – Sir James Clark and Charles Locock – consulted the leading London anaesthetist of the time, John Snow, later famous for his work on cholera. But prudence again won out and the Queen was denied chloroform.
    In the UK they will dope somebody terminally ill and in pain until they pass peacefully and respect the DNR request of the patient there are circumstamces when that is the best option, I'm sure in the past doctors will have quietly administered a fatal dose of painkiller it should be something between the doctor and the patient - watching someone in pain even while unconscious when you know the end is inevitable is no fun. To watch someone in pain while fully compos mentis and then tell them they have no right to choose to die is something only the sanctimonious can do. Suiffering is not the road to heaven why does anyone give credence to that nonsense.

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    This is bad because it's a slippery slope where at some point you will have to justify your right to live or they will kill you.
    Why do you think people are out to kill you?

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruv View Post
    Your grasp of the written word is appalling.

    Take it in the words of the Wacky Liberal Hero George Bernard Shaw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBRjU9P5eo

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    The religious have been justifying who has the right to exist, who is worthy, who is legitimate or illegitimate who is human or who is not as human as they are since religion was invented. Racism is a religious construct to justify subjugating and enslaving entire people because the colour of their skin marked them out as inferior it's an execrise in religious hypocrisy that they prefer to pretend never and doesn't still happen.

    George bernard shaw hardly qualifies as a liberal his views on eugenics alone exclude him from that label as would his support of stalin, mussolini and hitler. I take it you are an american as most americans seem to have little idea what qualifies as liberal ideals or thinking.

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    Or socialism.

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    Quote Originally Posted by magentaflame View Post
    Or socialism.
    Democratic Socialism is a fine idea. However, putting it into practice in the modern world, As Venezuela has learned, is far more difficult than it ought to be.
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    Democratic Socialism is a fine idea. However, putting it into practice in the modern world, As Venezuela has learned, is far more difficult than it ought to be.
    It has been said there was a capitalist conspiracy working against the Venezuelans, I am not clever enough to understand how it works.
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