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    Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    Thankyou to our politicians who debated yesterday and through the night to this morning.

    An outcome that has put many peoples hearts and minds at ease.

    Daniel Andrews our premier (although i dont always agree with him) has made a few brave decisions....and this was an exelent result. Passed by ten votes. So not a slim margin. (47 to 37).

    Its strict legislation but it has passed.
    Basically, you must have 6to 12 months to live, in agony that medication will not ileviate. And permission of two chief doctors. We may not all need this but its nice to know its there.

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    Im just a little proud to be a Victorian right now. Dont get me wrong here....it still has to pass the upper house but although tight itll be a doddle!.

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    In Europe there is Dignitas which, oddly, doesn't offer a lifetime subscription - just annual membership - which rather misses the point. They don't have a freephone number either.

    In America they have permissive gun laws which obviate the problem entirely.
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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    This serious thread went down hill very quickly didn't it ?

    It is comforting to know if need be you can check out on your own terms.
    I thought I knew more than this until I opened my mouth

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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

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    In Europe there is Dignitas which, oddly, doesn't offer a lifetime subscription - just annual membership - which rather misses the point. They don't have a freephone number either.

    In America they have permissive gun laws which obviate the problem entirely.
    I don't think there is much dignity at all in being shot. Besides, the ones who do get shot are usually not the ones who are wanting an early check-out.

    We do have a law in the state of Colorado which allows a body to expire instead of waiting for the final moment, but you have be near death to qualify, and then spend you last days dealing with Lawyers and such. How can you call that dignified?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LarsMac View Post
    I don't think there is much dignity at all in being shot. Besides, the ones who do get shot are usually not the ones who are wanting an early check-out.

    We do have a law in the state of Colorado which allows a body to expire instead of waiting for the final moment, but you have be near death to qualify, and then spend you last days dealing with Lawyers and such. How can you call that dignified?
    Is that like our do not resuscitate orders

    BBC - Ethics - Euthanasia: DNR - Do Not Resuscitate

    DNR - Do Not Resuscitate

    DNRs are Do Not Resuscitate orders. A DNR order on a patient's file means that a doctor is not required to resuscitate a patient if their heart stops and is designed to prevent unnecessary suffering.

    The usual circumstances in which it is appropriate not to resuscitate are:

    when it will not restart the heart or breathing
    when there is no benefit to the patient
    when the benefits are outweighed by the burdens

    Although DNRs can be regarded as a form of passive euthanasia, they are not controversial unless they are abused, since they are intended to prevent patients suffering pointlessly from the bad effects that resuscitation can cause: broken ribs, other fractures, ruptured spleen, brain damage.
    In the case of serious/terminal illness the patient is the one who gets asked what they want to do and their decision supercedes anyone elses opinion.

    Why is there any need for lawyers to get involved?

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    If I get to that stage I'll have Do Not Converse on a large sign.
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    Re: Hooray! You can now die with dignity in victoria

    We dont know how it will be administered yet.
    One stipulation iis youll have to be under palliative care.
    Put it this way, just because a doctor says youve got 12 months to live doesnt mean you can top yourself.....we already have sleeping pills and morphine overdose for that.
    Its for when your organs are shutting down and pain relief is longer doing any good.
    Its not like DNR....my poor mum had that experience of having to find the paper so the amboes didnt resuss dad.

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    In America they have permissive gun laws which obviate the problem entirely.
    Even without our liberal gun laws it'd still be easy enough - just walk toward a cop with a less than happy face and reach around the back of your waistband. And it's not even that difficult if you're black. The Mexicans have it the worst - they don't get to die at all - they get thrown in detention cells and then deported. Very discriminatory indeed.

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