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    I'm not sure how the boar density can get out of balance. If there's too many for the foodstock the size of the next generation plummets. It's self-balancing, that's how nature works. The only thing that interferes with that natural balance is people with rifles killing sufficient of them that the survivors can't repopulate in a single generation but fortunately boars are resilient as far as that goes.

    So, given that killing a half million of them a year has no effect on the population density, and the boar numbers are the same as they'd have been with no culling, how is a cull meant to be ethical?

    I'll bring up badgers too at this rate.
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    I wasn't aware this was a cull per se, I thought it was hunters hunting, as they do. I've no objection to hunting (or a cull) in itself as long as what is killed is eaten, or at least used constructively. Also, the claim is that killing half a million a year is not enough to keep the population stable (ok, pigs produce big litters) so - especially given the town that was apparently overrun - this has overtones of fighting off an invasion.

    Every year they cull the deer in Richmond Park. Necessary to keep the population stable and healthy in the absence of predators. Badger culling is not the same - at least I believe so: They are accused of spreading bovine TB but I gather there is doubt about that and there is no need from the population point of view to cull. The opposite if anything.

    I do have a certain sympathy for the farmers, however. If badgers can spread bovine TB then prevention is better than cure and I understand their reluctance to have badgers on their land. It's not an easy situation
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    I'm not sure how the boar density can get out of balance. If there's too many for the foodstock the size of the next generation plummets. It's self-balancing, that's how nature works. The only thing that interferes with that natural balance is people with rifles killing sufficient of them that the survivors can't repopulate in a single generation but fortunately boars are resilient as far as that goes.

    So, given that killing a half million of them a year has no effect on the population density, and the boar numbers are the same as they'd have been with no culling, how is a cull meant to be ethical?

    I'll bring up badgers too at this rate.
    Introduced species here so im happy to shoot the lot of them.....and the deer with em'.

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    Actually....stuff it . Include the feral cats and wild dogs as well. Dammit! Lets go on a total shooting spree.

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    A big issue. I have American squirrels and Asian Parakeets coming in to my garden. I feed them. The parakeets just turn up and I'd be putting that food out anyway, but when the autumn baby squirrel turned up I couldn't resist.

    I should kill them.
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    I do have a certain sympathy for the farmers, however. If badgers can spread bovine TB then prevention is better than cure and I understand their reluctance to have badgers on their land. It's not an easy situation
    Do you know what the alternative is? The cattle can each be inoculated, that's what. The reason they're not is that the current EU regulations would then prevent milk products from the inoculated UK herd from entering the EU food chain. You have a choice, cull badgers (which ineffectively does sod-all to reduce TB nationally but allows civil servants to say something's being actively pursued) or inoculate the UK herd and eliminate all UK cattle TB within a year and leave the badgers alone, and get the piss-poor EU regulation changed. You tell me which is the ethical choice. Oddly enough I do have an existing opinion on this one.
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    Introduced species here so im happy to shoot the lot of them.....and the deer with em'.
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    Actually....stuff it . Include the feral cats and wild dogs as well. Dammit! Lets go on a total shooting spree.
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    Re: Outrage in Germany

    Although im more than happy the export the deer back to you.Theyre healthy with no deseases..... and its in Europe where they belong anyway....theyll be happier roaming the glens.... that would make queenie (and philly) very happy.

    www.gma.vic.gov.au
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    Quote Originally Posted by spot View Post
    Do you know what the alternative is? The cattle can each be inoculated, that's what. The reason they're not is that the current EU regulations would then prevent milk products from the inoculated UK herd from entering the EU food chain. You have a choice, cull badgers (which ineffectively does sod-all to reduce TB nationally but allows civil servants to say something's being actively pursued) or inoculate the UK herd and eliminate all UK cattle TB within a year and leave the badgers alone, and get the piss-poor EU regulation changed. You tell me which is the ethical choice. Oddly enough I do have an existing opinion on this one.
    I'd be happy with that as a solution.
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    They tried mixo here . We've still got rabbits.
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    A disease that kills off rabbits. Hasnt worked. We've got foxes killing everything. Culling is a joke. The christmas tree our Omeo way has fresh kills on it i hear . (For wild dogs)

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