Nature as GOD

[Mike CT]

Why I believe NATURE is GOD

Nature is the ONLY creator of all life. The female being the most important
of the pairs. The male acts as the protector and servant.
Nature has created food for us all and it is free.
Nature has given all creatures its clothing. Almost all pairs (female and male)
wear the same clothing.
Nature is a liberal GOD because it has made no laws but gave us genetic and biological characteristics to govern our lives.
Nature requires no licenses to reproduce or any other licenses for that matter.
Hence, no costly marriages.
It has created the food chain as our burial sites, hence no funerals.
It has given us our own doctors with the 'immune systems' within us.
It requires no rituals, tithes or taxes, forced attendances and etc.
It grants no property ownerships, patents or any other grants to create millionaires
or billionaires.
It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions.
It is a merciful GOD because it does not suffer us by prolonging death and even tempers this brief interim with the endorphin pain killers.
It allows post abortion (carnivore consumption of newborns) and the food chain
in the sea and ocean life to limit population imbalances.

It is our greatest teacher

Socialism is about the closest political system to NATURE because it
gives us the essential needs and freedoms and yet takes care of our lives with these necessities.

Mike CT

[Galbally]

That's an interesting idea, its a bit like animism to me. Though I don't think nature would make a very benign god as it is in essence very arbitrary and to human minds exceedingly cruel and ruthless. Also the natural biological world we live in is entirely subserviant to the wider physical universe, in that it cannot live without it. Nature is at it is entirely because it must act in accordance with basic physical principals such as the second law of thermodyanmics, the conservation of matter and energy, the force of gravity etc etc. Therefore it can only be regarded as a very limited "God" with no real powers at all, just a lot of creativity in overcoming adverse conditions, of which we are of course the prime evolutionary example. I am in no way religious, though divine purpose is the only linguistic manner in which I can explain my belief in the the question of why anything exists at all. This is a "belief" now and entirely an unscientific statement as of course there is absolutley no way by which the existence of a "God" or "creator" can be physically proven.

[chonsigirl]

It has given us complete freedom with no restrictions.


Tell that to the victims of Hurrican Katrina.........................

I don't think so, with all due respect.

[Mike CT]

Galbally and Chonsigirl

I think I owe a further explanation of my above post.

GOD"S domain involves only the living. It does not include the 'physical universe because the Conservation Laws pertain to Matter and Energy which are physical entities rather than spiritual. .

Granted, there may be some spiritual influence of the physical realm by the spirit because there are instances of 'karmic reactions' as punishment but those are observed only by the believers.
Examples of this are the 'black plague' that struck the Roman empires territorial claims when Marco Polo introduced the 'black powder' from China. Since the history of the Romans as a predatory empire was well known, the spirit already saw the evil in its future use. The rest is history when the gun and cannon were later invented.
Another is the revengeful reaction to the Hitlerian regime for the Stalin atrocities in Russia.
The wrath of Nature against the Bush republican policy of refusal to join the rest of the countries in reducing the 'greenhouse gases' that are contributing to the rise in the ocean temperatures that spawn these hurricanes even though this temperature rise is very small.
This, of course, is seen only with the mind and not embraced by the disbelievers in 'spirit'.
So one would have to conclude that there is some influence of the spiritual over the physical.

Note: Ignore the Robertson threat against the school board that ousted the
'intelligen design' supporters because Robertson is a fanatic that tries to bully people in his crusades.

Mike CT

[chonsigirl]

God set the Laws in motion......................
Therefore, there would be no physical universe without His act of creation.............
God influences the Living and the Nonliving aspects of the universe.

God's creation is the universe, and every part of it.
His domain lies even outside of that........................beyond our imagination and comprehension.

Which came first the chicken or the egg? Can an egg survive without warmth? Therefore a chicken had to be created whole and functioning. Points to a creator.

[Mike CT]

Chonsigirl quote
God set the Laws in motion......................
Therefore, there would be no physical universe without His act of creation.............
God influences the Living and the Nonliving aspects of the universe.

reply.
You must believe in the bible and 'creation out of nothing'. Nature is the only creator of life. Stem cells can reproduce into differenr forms.
Atoms cannot reproduce. Therefore they must have always existed according to the Conservation Laws.

Far rider quote
Which came first the chicken or the egg? Can an egg survive without warmth? Therefore a chicken had to be created whole and functioning. Points to a creator.

reply
Stem cells look like eggs to me.
So the egg came first and this suggests that the females came first and are the creators of life

Mike CT.

[chonsigirl]

Yes, I do believe in the Bible and the Creator concept of the universe. I do not believe nothing comes out of nothing.
"Nature is the only creator of life." Well, where did nature come from in the first place? Nature is something, so therefore something was there first to give rise to it.
Chonsi

Far rider quote
Which came first the chicken or the egg? Can an egg survive without warmth? Therefore a chicken had to be created whole and functioning. Points to a creator.

reply
Stem cells look like eggs to me.
So the egg came first and this suggests that the females came first and are the creators of life

Mike,

Stem sells "look" like eggs. Can they survive without a host? Nothing from nothing equals nothing.

What was first? The record in nature indicates a complex organism "suddenly" on the scene. Thats creation.

The consistancy and complex relationship of the natural laws indicate a common creator, the order and interconnection of all things in common indicate a single creator.

You can look to other things beside the Bible to gain knowledge of the fact that something or someone far more intelligent than us, holds and contains and sustains nature. If you want to call God nature, go ahead I'll not stop you. I feel that is part of the truth.

I sit in awe of what the creator has created, but I'm more in awe of the creator who created it.

Oh and one more thing, where did the females come from to bare and raise the egg? And were they created whole or did the come from another female egg?

[nvalleyvee]

Originally Posted by Mike CT

I think I owe a further explanation of my above post.

GOD"S domain involves only the living. It does not include the 'physical universe because the Conservation Laws pertain to Matter and Energy which are physical entities rather than spiritual. .

Granted, there may be some spiritual influence of the physical realm by the spirit because there are instances of 'karmic reactions' as punishment but those are observed only by the believers.
Examples of this are the 'black plague' that struck the Roman empires territorial claims when Marco Polo introduced the 'black powder' from China. Since the history of the Romans as a predatory empire was well known, the spirit already saw the evil in its future use. The rest is history when the gun and cannon were later invented.
Another is the revengeful reaction to the Hitlerian regime for the Stalin atrocities in Russia.
The wrath of Nature against the Bush republican policy of refusal to join the rest of the countries in reducing the 'greenhouse gases' that are contributing to the rise in the ocean temperatures that spawn these hurricanes even though this temperature rise is very small.
This, of course, is seen only with the mind and not embraced by the disbelievers in 'spirit'.
So one would have to conclude that there is some influence of the spiritual over the physical.

Note: Ignore the Robertson threat against the school board that ousted the
'intelligen design' supporters because Robertson is a fanatic that tries to bully people in his crusades.

Mike CT

I'm not quite sure where you are going here. As a scientist I know something about the conservation laws of matter and energy. What do you think powers our mind (brain)? It is energy created by the billions of electrical connections - which cannot be destoyed but converted. Converted to what - I don't know yet. The energy of our mind is what makes us spiritual beings. I don't think the science of our time is capable of understanding our evolution in the big picture. If you look at history and the way humans defined or explained their existance I find it curious we are the only species that NEEDS to have and explaination of why we are here. Did we create religion to give ourselves comfort because we knew we were so small in the bigger scope of the Earth and the heavens around us? I don't know.