Who Do Men Say That I Am?

[Ted]

spot

Right on.

Shalom
Ted

Originally Posted by spot

So what in God's name is motivating all these wretched missionaries and evangelists then? I've lots of Hindu friends and not one of them has the slightest desire to convert anyone because they don't get taught that Hinduism is an exclusive path to God.

Its not to go Kill them that for sure!

When something makes you content, deeply content, do you not want to tell others how it made you feel?

Most real christian missionaries do it out of pure love.

Christianity doesnt work if its forced, my experince is that folks reject both the person and the message if you bombard them with it. Its like my arguments with Ted, the more dogmatic I get in presenting the truth the more it will turn folks off of veiwing my posts. Eventually they will associate me with my dogma and reject me as well. Its why I rarely, and this is the first time I have ever gotten so argumentative with anyone, online or in person.

Theres a place for a very peaceful presentation by a missionary who truly desires to help and share the gospel to a group they feel called to serve. When its done in the right spirit it is amazingly successful and perfectly recieved and God prepares the hearts of those who would recive the word ahead of the missionary.

Ive read or been told stories and even see the results of whole villages that have turned around and become 'christian' and survice the test of time.

The opposite is when a man tries to win souls in their own conciet, the work fails, the man fails and God is dishonored and it hurts the reputation of all true missionaries.

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Jester

Its not to go Kill them that for sure!

When something makes you content, deeply content, do you not want to tell others how it made you feel?

Most real christian missionaries do it out of pure love.

Christianity doesnt work if its forced, my experince is that folks reject both the person and the message if you bombard them with it. Its like my arguments with Ted, the more dogmatic I get in presenting the truth the more it will turn folks off of veiwing my posts. Eventually they will associate me with my dogma and reject me as well. Its why I rarely, and this is the first time I have ever gotten so argumentative with anyone, online or in person.

Theres a place for a very peaceful presentation by a missionary who truly desires to help and share the gospel to a group they feel called to serve. When its done in the right spirit it is amazingly successful and perfectly recieved and God prepares the hearts of those who would recive the word ahead of the missionary.

Ive read or been told stories and even see the results of whole villages that have turned around and become 'christian' and survice the test of time.

The opposite is when a man tries to win souls in their own conciet, the work fails, the man fails and God is dishonored and it hurts the reputation of all true missionaries.

I would ask why the whole of South America's Catholic and point at the Conquistadores at this point if I thought that you were suggesting that forced conversion does not happen and cannot work.


History, especially British history, is littered with examples of mass forced conversion.

[spot]

History is also littered with examples of the mass ethnic cleansing of non-Christians by those who might otherwise have known better. Does nobody in this thread see a fundamentally psychotic dissonance between America's on the one hand being the most Christian God-fearing nation on earth and on the other having a total inability to negotiate, to turn the other cheek, to walk the extra mile, to love its neighbour as itself? Personal morality has nothing to do with the actions of the State, is that the fall-back people use to clear their collective conscience?

What's the state religion of those countries the Christian American population is screaming for a chance to obliterate from the face of the planet? It's Islam, that's what. It's the countries run by those Islamic Jihadist heathen devil-worshippers, that's who. Anything Middle Eastern and Islamic is intrinsically detestable because it claims a relationship with God which, from a Christian perspective, thanks to the passages I quoted, is an impossibility. The problem isn't in Islam, it isn't in the Middle East, it's certainly not in the US constitution, it's in the interpretation of the bible which says those passages relate to here, to now and to non-Christians. The direct consequence of this interpretation, that the deliberate choice of these non-Christians to remain true to their own faiths removes from them all possibility of salvation, is the urge to kill them all by the million and to actually feel good about doing it.

Christians don't need guns, they need mirrors. They'll come face to face with Jihadists a lot sooner that way.

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

I would ask why the whole of South America's Catholic and point at the Conquistadores at this point if I thought that you were suggesting that forced conversion does not happen and cannot work.


History, especially British history, is littered with examples of mass forced conversion.

Has it truly taken hold?, are the hearts changed? do they serve God today out of tradition or out of service to God. I would say by and large most forced belief in religion is done out of tradition and it is not heartbased.

[spot]

Well that's told the Jesuits and no mistake. The Pope should obviously pull all his priests out of South America and abandon the continent immediately.

Originally Posted by spot

History is also littered with examples of the mass ethnic cleansing of non-Christians by those who might otherwise have known better. Does nobody in this thread see a fundamentally psychotic dissonance between America's on the one hand being the most Christian God-fearing nation on earth and on the other having a total inability to negotiate, to turn the other cheek, to walk the extra mile, to love its neighbour as itself? Personal morality has nothing to do with the actions of the State, is that the fall-back people use to clear their collective conscience?

What's the state religion of those countries the Christian American population is screaming for a chance to obliterate from the face of the planet? It's Islam, that's what. It's the countries run by those Islamic Jihadist heathen devil-worshippers, that's who. Anything Middle Eastern and Islamic is intrinsically detestable because it claims a relationship with God which, from a Christian perspective, thanks to the passages I quoted, is an impossibility. The problem isn't in Islam, it isn't in the Middle East, it's certainly not in the US constitution, it's in the interpretation of the bible which says those passages relate to here, to now and to non-Christians. The direct consequence of this interpretation, that the deliberate choice of these non-Christians to remain true to their own faiths removes from them all possibility of salvation, is the urge to kill them all by the million and to actually feel good about doing it.

Christians don't need guns, they need mirrors. They'll come face to face with Jihadists a lot sooner that way.

Spot if I thought The US was the most God-fearing nation on the earth I'd argue with you.

My issues with isalm is that its basic ideologies cannot coexist with anythign else and even most of itself. I dont have a fundamental death wish to any one who is islamic by religion, only to someone who uses that philosophy to kill the innocent or force its existance on others.

Those who 'call' themselves christians need the mirrors...

90% of the world today is NOT christian... a very very small percentage of the world is truly a beliver in God in my humble opinion.

Originally Posted by spot

Well that's told the Jesuits and no mistake. The Pope should obviously pull all his priests out of South America and abandon the continent immediately.

If the beliver, where they stand at this second, regardless of what religion they are in, simply do what the spirit guides them to do by following all they know of the revealed word of God, the world could be and would be changed over night.

[spot]

Originally Posted by Jester

90% of the world today is NOT christian... I very very small percentage of the world is truly a beliver in God in my humble opinion.

And - just to make the point for later - all the rest will go to Hell?

Originally Posted by spot

And - just to make the point for later - all the rest will go to Hell?

You want me to change my name to Spot?

Sir, every single person that rejects God will have thier part with satan and be placed in hell, yes, thats what the bibel teaches and thats what God says.

Now I will probably be rejected right off this forum.