Peace

[Ted]

jester

Meeting the needs of the innocent is so far from the teachings of Jesus as to be in another universe.

We have poverty in our country. Don't you have poverty in yours? Is America so pure as to have no poverty?

Shalom
Ted

[Ted]

Omni

First of all the idea of original sin is nonsense.

Once again I ask "Can we afford not to"? As long as we all sit around and say we can't do this we will never start. A mile walk begins with the first step.

Shalom
Ted

Originally Posted by Omni_Skittles

Isn't there a different way to approach this?

You're right though because we are born with sin naturally peace and all perfection no longer will exist til Christ does return.

I'm not one to squelch the idea, but its been roughly 7000 years, and at best we've only had pockets of peace. I few minutes of time if 7000 years was a 24 hour clock.

The best approach is by God to individual hearts, but man has so far corrupted what God originally designed and belives so much of his own deluded lie that I do not believe we will see a peace movement till his return. It doesnt negate the fact that some will believe and be saved in the process, those persons alwasy have peace in the heart.

It is entirely possible to keep peace, and live in peace and be engaged in total and actual mortal combat at the same time. It depends on which side your fighting for.

Originally Posted by Ted

Omni

First of all the idea of original sin is nonsense.

Once again I ask "Can we afford not to"? As long as we all sit around and say we can't do this we will never start. A mile walk begins with the first step.

Shalom
Ted

Ted who taught you to lie?

[Omni_Skittles]

Originally Posted by Ted

Omni

First of all the idea of original sin is nonsense.

Once again I ask "Can we afford not to"? As long as we all sit around and say we can't do this we will never start. A mile walk begins with the first step.

Shalom
Ted

elaborate on that please lol

I agree it's all possible i mean anything is possible... with God. l

[Omni_Skittles]

Originally Posted by Jester

I'm not one to squelch the idea, but its been roughly 7000 years, and at best we've only had pockets of peace. I few minutes of time if 7000 years was a 24 hour clock.

The best approach is by God to individual hearts, but man has so far corrupted what God originally designed and belives so much of his own deluded lie that I do not believe we will see a peace movement till his return. It doesnt negate the fact that some will believe and be saved in the process, those persons alwasy have peace in the heart.

It is entirely possible to keep peace, and live in peace and be engaged in total and actual mortal combat at the same time. It depends on which side your fighting for.

so you're saying as long as you're fighting and killing people for a good cause it's okay?

Originally Posted by Omni_Skittles

so you're saying as long as you're fighting and killing people for a good cause it's okay?

I'm saying that if we fight to protect the innocent then we are on the right side, and war is sometimes necessary to achieve that.

Here is an example. If I were your father, and some one broke into our home, and was dragging you out to do God knows what, Its my responsibility to protect you by fighting him off, or killiing him if necessary to stop him forom harming you.

It is a peace loving society that allows that action of protecting ones own family by force.

If as a nation we are attacked it is our responsibility to act in the same manner, that is also a peaceful society, we love peace enough to enforce it. We charish it, that which a man cherishes he protects. Protecting ones family is an act of love.

The action of love is what sets in motion the use of force to protect and cherish our loved ones. It is not a rational thought, its an innate action based on our most basic emotions.

Originally Posted by Ted

jester

Meeting the needs of the innocent is so far from the teachings of Jesus as to be in another universe.

We have poverty in our country. Don't you have poverty in yours? Is America so pure as to have no poverty?

Shalom
Ted

Well Id have to agree with you there I wasnt specific enough, meeting the needs of everybody is the mandate, some people need food and clothing and some people need to be killed.

[Omni_Skittles]

Originally Posted by Jester

I'm saying that if we fight to protect the innocent then we are on the right side, and war is sometimes necessary to achieve that.

Here is an example. If I were your father, and some one broke into our home, and was dragging you out to do God knows what, Its my responsibility to protect you by fighting him off, or killiing him if necessary to stop him forom harming you.

It is a peace loving society that allows that action of protecting ones own family by force.

If as a nation we are attacked it is our responsibility to act in the same manner, that is also a peaceful society, we love peace enough to enforce it. We charish it, that which a man cherishes he protects. Protecting ones family is an act of love.

The action of love is what sets in motion the use of force to protect and cherish our loved ones. It is not a rational thought, its an innate action based on our most basic emotions.

See i agree with that. lol why else would i want to join the army! hahahaha because there is not peace now... you can only choose if you're going to fight for the good or bad! lol

Originally Posted by Omni_Skittles

See i agree with that. lol why else would i want to join the army! hahahaha because there is not peace now... you can only choose if you're going to fight for the good or bad! lol

Skittles you may want to think it through carefully, joining th army obligates you to fight any and all wars the US enters, you may find yourself on the wrong side of right, possibly.