The Bible shifted some Gears in my mind.

[Mickiel]

The creation of humanity is something more of a unique " Birth Plan", its really God deciding to have his own " Children." God created perhaps untold billions of Angels AND other creations, its just no telling what other beings God has created. But at some point, for some reason, he wanted to have his very own offspring. Yet in one sense, Angels are the " Sons of God", but God is going further in his creation of humanity. Humanity is to " Inherit a far greater existance" than Angels, which means a far greater responsibility. Which I think also means a far greater " Birth Process", were just going to have to go through much more than Angels.

And part of the reason for this, is a certain mentality that God has. In Gods thinking, to whom much is given, much will be required from them. And God has given humanity a place in reality that superseeds even Angels themselves. So much will be required from humanity, part of which I believe is pain and suffering, living in the flesh and dealing with sin. None of which has been required from Angels.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

So this experience we now know as life, is something that God requires for us to go through, while we are on "This Earth, or in This Womb." The earth is Gods choice of " A Womb" for the birth of humanity. Why he didnot just create all of us instantly, I just do not Know. Why we all must suffer, I really do not know. But I do believe that God is not a waster of time, and if God does something, I don't think it could have been done better in some other kind of way.

In order for us to be like God, we had to " Know Good and Evil." We had to live in flesh and suffer. We had to confront evil. I often wonder why. What has this got to do with becomming like God?

And I want to go intoi that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Humanity was placed into reality in the condition we are in, largely because thats what intrest God. Our environment was something we were born into. Notice Isaiah 43:25;" I, even I, am the one who wipes out your sins " For my Own Intrest." Gods intrest is the key to our existence, and the reason why our environment or our sins cannot condemn us. One of the favorite pastimes of many " Religious people", is to condemn people. Using the bible like a sword, they " Cut off" salvation from others, because thats really what intrest them.

God is interested in wipeing out sins. Its what he is going to do. He framed us into a sinful environment, only to release us at a time of his choosing. Romans 11:32;" For God has shut up all into disobedience that he might show mercy to ALL." This is a core reason why we have so much trouble with sin and evil, because we were locked into it by God. Again in Galations 3:22;" But the scripture has shut up all men under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe." Again, notice how the phrase " Shut up under sin", denotes a prison like lock into this crave we have to sin.

This is where our sinful nature originates from, and act of God himself, not a mistake by Adam in Eden. We were created to sin! To be infected by it and pestered by it. And this is why I believe no human will be condemned by God, because he placed this weight upon us all. Notice Romans 7:20;" But if I am doing the very thing I do not wish to do, I am no longer the one doing it, but the Sin in me."

Sin is a very powerful thing, and its inside of us all. But it cannot condemn us. And I want to go into that. Peace.

[Mickiel]

No matter what a believer in God decides to share on this internet, if what is shared leaves ANY room for ANY human not to be with God forever, its just NOT the truth! They are just voices being used by the power of this world, to condemn a part of this world. Gods Salvation is a complette body, no parts will be considered useless or aborted! The messengers of doom, don't even know who they really represent, yet they think they speak for God.

Such is the pride of life. Humans who are alive, and take religious pride in their life. So much pride, that they can see human life not being with God forever, for whatever reason. As if Jesus has not covered that reason.

Peace.

[JerryG]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

No matter what a believer in God decides to share on this internet, if what is shared leaves ANY room for ANY human not to be with God forever, its just NOT the truth! They are just voices being used by the power of this world, to condemn a part of this world. Gods Salvation is a complette body, no parts will be considered useless or aborted! The messengers of doom, don't even know who they really represent, yet they think they speak for God.

Such is the pride of life. Humans who are alive, and take religious pride in their life. So much pride, that they can see human life not being with God forever, for whatever reason. As if Jesus has not covered that reason.

Peace.

Your sentiments are nice. All of us poor human beings stand before a most powerful entity. The Bible gives many comfort as an understanding of this power comes forth to us. Yet it is not all love and kisses. Man is trapped in existence and we suffer from fear. There is no escape from this fear. The big problem is that God is God. Many attempt to escape this reality by denying God exists. It is comforting to believe that no God exists.
Unfortunately I encountered this God that does not exist in 1981. I believe that God is ethical. God is not a monster. Thus there is a limited amount of pain and suffering that each of us must endure during a lifetime. Yet all of us will come back to life over and over again. Thus there is an infinite amount of pain and suffering all of us must endure over an infinite amount of time.
We are trapped at this level of existence. However we can move upward or downward. God will decide our fate. There is nothing we can do to prevent God's judgement.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by JerryG

Thus there is a limited amount of pain and suffering that each of us must endure during a lifetime. Yet all of us will come back to life over and over again. Thus there is an infinite amount of pain and suffering all of us must endure over an infinite amount of time.
We are trapped at this level of existence. However we can move upward or downward. God will decide our fate. There is nothing we can do to prevent God's judgement.

I do not adhere to any form of eternal punishment, no matter how ingenuis it represents itself. Reincarnated suffering is utter foolishness, it is counted only once for man to die, but some of us just have a thing with this mind block of eternal suffering, and it manifest itself in our thinking and beliefs. We seem sold on punishment and ignorant of Gods design in forgiveness and his plan of mercy.

So we magnify the suffering, because its all we know, and we lack because we just don't know God.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

You ever just wanted to swim and not get wet? Its really impossible, one just goes with the other.Yet there is still a discernable point, you can still see the water on you. So it is with the Spirit of God and the Word of God, if the Spirit is not there, then the Word of God willnot be clear. If God is not the master of discernment in your mind, your mind will think about Gods Word on its own. You may think its God, but it willnot be as clear to you as you can see on your own. 1Tim.4:1;" The Spirit explicitly says", or the Spirit makes it plain to you.

This is what really shifts gears in your mind , its really our only way of truly knowing Gods Word. Without the Spirit the bible willnot be transparent, but it can jabber the mind into thinking it is clear. It willnot be clear cut, but it will appear to be obvious and plain to your personal understanding.

And oh how this has mixed up so many.

Peace.

[JerryG]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

I do not adhere to any form of eternal punishment, no matter how ingenuis it represents itself. Reincarnated suffering is utter foolishness, it is counted only once for man to die, but some of us just have a thing with this mind block of eternal suffering, and it manifest itself in our thinking and beliefs. We seem sold on punishment and ignorant of Gods design in forgiveness and his plan of mercy.

So we magnify the suffering, because its all we know, and we lack because we just don't know God.

Peace.

Unfortunately it is not true that man only dies once. This universe has been going on for all eternity. There are billions of earths with man. Our DNA code numbers appear over and over again forever. Thus clones of ourselves will always exist. What makes us? We are a combination of our DNA code number and our soul. Our soul is particular to us. It is composed of higher light speed energy and this belongs to God. When we die, we only have a few last minutes of awareness. Then we are gone. The pain and suffering is over.
The soul remains. The soul cannot suffer like us. We have a brain and senses which cause pain and suffering. The soul contains the memory of us. It has no independent brain. Thus for a soul to suffer in hell is like a book burning in hell forever. Yet the soul will be cleansed.
If God shall so chose, some of us will enter the New Earth as promised by Isaiah. There body and the cleansed soul will be reunited. We most likely will be reborn there. Yet there will be little or no memory of the past. However with body and soul reunited, it will be us. All over the universe our DNA duplicates will face the same prospects.
The soul of the worst of man will be burnt up in hellfire. No pain is involved. The soul will just be destroyed. God does not inflict one ounce of pain upon man that is needed to serve God's purpose. Eternal hell is preached mental illness.
The people return to life innocent of the past. How many cycles of the universe have you lived before? Only God knows. Yet it is self evident that you will live again and again forever. You may only be reborn at this level. Or you may move upward toward God. Again, only God knows.

[Mickiel]

The voice of God is not expressed through humans, only mocked by humans who view themselves influenced by God. God speaks for himself, or even better put, he has assigned Jesus to speak for him. Which very easily informs me that God does not want to communicate directly to humans as of now. We even confuse this fact. Because we do not know what we are doing. Jesus said something when we were killing him on the cross. He said Father forgive them, because they do not KNOW what they are doing! And we still don't know, nothing has changed. We crucify Christ, we crucify the bible, we kill all the things that are truly heavenly, and destruct them based on OUR understanding.

And then WE construct theologys based on our precepts, not Gods precepts.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

When God looks to communicate with a human, he first breaks their will in themselves. A humbling process that will take YOU off of your throne, and he will assert himself as the God, while removing you from what should be HIS place! And this is what Pride is, you asserting YOUR belief in God, YOU going about trying to establish your OWN Righteousness! Your belief in God is so Powerful that YOU are teaching yourself and formulating views based entirely on YOUR power! Your Right supposed thinking, and many false conceptions are formed just like this. YOU think certain things are Gods will, so you follow YOURSELF, but think you are following God!

You are shifting your own gears, leading yourself, yet believing you are following God.

And I want to get into that some. Peace.