Proof of God

[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Daniyal

Picking Few Words Out Doesn't Prove / Shows Anything . Logical Fallacy < Sure >

Another Spot I See .......

I do not understand where you see my post as "picking a few words out".

If you are referring to the grapes / houris transform then that was a single example of the type of change that has been suggested - it was not the basis of my argument. If you have any reason to suggest that the argument itself is unsound then I would be interested in hearing it.

[Daniyal]

Originally Posted by Bryn Mawr

I do not understand where you see my post as "picking a few words out".

If you are referring to the grapes / houris transform then that was a single example of the type of change that has been suggested - it was not the basis of my argument. If you have any reason to suggest that the argument itself is unsound then I would be interested in hearing it.

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[Bryn Mawr]

Originally Posted by Daniyal

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL Laterrrrrrrrrrrrrr

It's early yet - I'll wait.

[cloverleaf]

Originally Posted by Daniyal

First I'm Not Christian Overstand , The Helping Hand Everyone Looking For Is At The End Of One Own Arm . Not Some Made Book Ok . Now Back To The Above Post , According To Your Own Qur'aan Isa Son Of Mary Is The God Of The Qur'aan .
To Answer Your Other Question; Read Below Veryyyyyyyyyy Slowlyyyyyyyy


( The Muslims Challenge Has / Was Met )

In the famous Orthodox Sunni Muslim dictionary entitled '' Dictionary Of Islam '' Arabic is described as '' By Reason Of It's Incomparable Excellence Is Called Al Lughah . Of The Language . '' Very little has been written about the origing of the so-called Arabic language . However , It is clear that Arabic is not a language , It is a dialect composed of many borrowed words from other languages . As a matter of fact . 50% of The Arabic language is foreign word from other dialects of The Semitic Family . This is something that most Muslims don't want to admit . As far as I know arabic language has about two times more vacobularies then english has and isn't it normal a language has some other terms or words from neighbore cultures and language (if it is) and again as far as i know english has many words terms taken from latin, german, and french, but anyway it does not matter to me at all

Now , Getting back to the point , In the original Qur'anic script you will not find the letters ; Baa , Taa,Thaa . Dhal , Zay , Sheen ,Daad , Zaa , Ghiyn , or Qaf , Again these letters weren't found because there were originally , No Nuqta Dots , On the letters . If The Nuqtas were not addded to the letters , Most people could not tell the difference bettween A Baa , Taa , And Thaa
. The same applies to the letters Sheen , And Siyn , Daad , And Saad , And the likes . As you place The Nuqta over different letters , It changes the meaning of the word . Take a look at the following chart .


Word .......... Variations Of Word
Hamada .......... Dahaba
Hamadha.......... Dhahaba
Khamada ......... Dahata
Khamadha......... Dhahata
Jamada ......... Dahata
Hamadha ........ Dhahatha [/color]

The Dots that did appear , Were the systems that Muslims brought about in the name of preseriving The Qur'an , Only made things more difficult for readers of The Qur'an . This happened because they were trying to bring A Primitive document into Modern times . Arabic was controlled by Poets , and The Prophet Muhammad ( PBUH ) was not a poet . In fact , The Qur'an speaks against them ( Qur'an 69 ; 41 , 36 ; 69 ) . Thus , His book was not receiving any respect . So , It became necessary to improve upon the words of By Men . And Muslims are so blind , That they can't see the Evil in that . The Qur'an claims of itself to be '' Total Complete '' And '' Without Any Doubt '' ( Qu'an 2 ; 1 ) . I am sorry but all these things that you re saying, meaninless,

It claims to be A '' Clear '' Message ( Qur'an 15 ; 1 ) . Yet , They had to improve upon it with their grammatical system , Which makes it impossible for anyone to fully understand ; Which leaves them the right to interpret it the way they wish by creating meaning for each word to fit into their newly formed Judaic Christian Sect Islam . Muslims will have to admit that they don't have the Original Qur'an . The Qur'an that they hold in their hands today . Is Not the Original how do you know that ? did you test it? i did not read but i saw many old original copies of Quran but it still does not matter because there is way that you can test it , take one Quran in arabic language not translated where ever you are then ask your friends to buy another copies one from chine one from france maybe one from turkey and japan and then letter by letter make your comparassion with also original copy that you think if you see any difference i promise i will jump down from an one of the highest bridges in this world/. Ask any Sincere Muslim , Do they have the Original Koran , They will say '' We Have The Oldest Copy Of The Koran '' Or This Qur'an Has No Doubt In It '' However ( Oldest Does Not Mean Original ) and The Qur'an does have doubt in the form of many mistakes . Sorry , But it has been proven that it does . The Qur'an that you hold in your hand . You learned some about Islam and some other religions but i think you mixed them up, but you re not the only one who does that i know, honestly i can tell that i know pretty much about Islam and i have no doubt about it that is in my heart and in my mind and i know the things that i know about it is like a drop in ocean when i read masters book lik imam Ghazali, Imam Birgivi, imam Rabbani which known different name in english, i suggest you to read them if you have chance Ghazali is also biggest philosopher ever lived who explained and proved beginning of time

Today has been proven fallible . It does have mistakes in The Arabic , And mistranslations in The English , Contradictions , And the mistakes go on and on . And being that Muslims don't have The Original Quraan , They have no foundation for their Religion without it . Some Muslims have a habit of talking about The Qur'an like it is so unique or Original , And it comes from Judaic and Christian teachings and books .

( The very Qur'an puts forth A 1400 Year Old Challenge To Produce A Book Or A Chapter Or A Verse Like It ; Claiming That It Is Impossible For Anyone With The Help Of All The Pages And Al The Ink In The World To Produce One Verse . Chapter Or The Whole Book Like It . And This Request Was Made In Several Places In Qur'an 52 ; 34 , 17 ; 88 , 11 ; 13 and 2 ; 23 . Well Guess What ? It Took Many Years For Anyone To Take The Challenge Seriously . But When They Did . The Challenge Was Met In The Year 1987 A.D. In A Book Entitled '' The Life Of The Messiah In A Classical Arabic Tongue '' By Abdo . You Can Acquite This Book From The Zwemer Institure , P.O.Box 385 , Altadena California U.S.A. The Qur'an Eloquence Was Met By A Great Poet From Lebanon By A Man Named Kahlil Gibran In A Book He Wrote Entitled '' The Prophet '' And The Muslims World Thought It Could Not Be Done ) . We dont have fear from people who challenges to islam as long as they dont curse or insult God, islam or its Prophet,

Christians mocked the very style of The Qur'an , Phrases and The Tasmiyya . This goes to show that it can be done and that Anybody Can '' Produce The Like Thereof '' The Book is divided into 30 Chapters and is comprised of verses compiled from The Gospels of four Disciples ; Matthew , Mark , Luke , And John . According to the author , The book was written to show Muslims that The Challenge they have been making for 1400 years . Has finally been Met ,

I wonder what do you think about it ? what is right for you? or why do you exist? and what will happen when you die ? just please answer these questions too for me

[cloverleaf]

i know some philosophers asked questions like why do we exist or do we exist? some thought that we (he) does not exist this is just a dream and they died with these weird ideas i wonder did they ever had idea what will be waiting for them

there was someone that i knew told me that he is suffering in his life (he did not have any proplem else then money and NOT to be very good looking man) I told him that his problems are nothing more then anyone else and take your lesson and accept islam otherwise you ll be in endless fire forever, he said to me that if God puts him in hell fire he will scream at Him..... ok burn me burn... i told him that if you re honest about what you re saying, when you go home boil oil or water then put your hands in it and then try to say what will you say to God.

Death seems too far for most of us but its not that far and when it comes all the things that you lived will be lie or past in a second and like as Quran says when the people are waiting for judgement day in other side they will say that they stayed in the world less then a day .

[Daniyal]

Originally Posted by cloverleaf

I wonder what do you think about it ? what is right for you? or why do you exist? and what will happen when you die ? just please answer these questions too for me

First Let Me Say This And I Don't Mean No Disrespect I Do Not Give Nor Accept Personal Testimony Because They Can't Be Prove By No One , Other Then The Person Given Them . They Are Mostly Given To Convert People To There Religion. But I Will Say This The Helping Hand That Everyone Looking For Is At The End Of One Own Arm .