Religious Displays in Public

[Odie]

religious beliefs should not be displayed in public, you have your home to do so.

I do not care to see it!

Originally Posted by Odie

religious beliefs should not be displayed in public, you have your home to do so.

I do not care to see it!

But everything I am and do is based on my religion.

If I hold the door open for you, treat you kindly, say 'good day', allow you to take the largest dessert first, and on and on, all of that is part of my religious upbringing. I consider those things ordinances and statutes.

I understand you are talking about praying and things of that nature but how far do we carry it?

[fuzzy butt]

Hossy hossy hossy . i know athiests who have been brought up athiests who do exactly that as well . Upbringing yes, Religious? Are you saying that your parents would not have instilled these things in you had they not been religious?
I also know religious people that pertain they follow the gospels and are complete pricks ......................but they are sure to let you know they pray.

what does the Bible say about it? what did Jesus say about it?

Because it was said in Galilean, Jesus' example prayer. the lords prayer in it's original language.

Avvon d-bish-maiya, nith-qaddash shim-mukh.
Tih-teh mal-chootukh. Nih-weh çiw-yanukh:
ei-chana d'bish-maiya: ap b'ar-ah.
Haw lan lakh-ma d'soonqa-nan yoo-mana.
O'shwooq lan kho-bein:
ei-chana d'ap kh'nan shwiq-qan l'khaya-ween.
Oo'la te-ellan l'niss-yoona:
il-la paç-çan min beesha.
Mid-til de-di-lukh hai mal-choota
oo khai-la oo tush-bookh-ta
l'alam al-mein. Aa-meen.

But i'm getting off track here

Matt 6:1-18

"Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2 "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3 But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4 so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5 "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7 "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9 Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread;
12 And forgive us our debts, As we also have forgiven our debtors;
13 And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil.
14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you;
15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
16 "And when you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 that your fasting may not be seen by men but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

You'll notice that the lords prayer is not a prayer in itself. the words are being taught as an example and not a written down verbatin prayer . Remember what jesus says about saying words over and over. It means nothing so just to recite the words of the example is not enough Remember jesus words. "for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

So that's basically what the bible says about praying. Notice how he mentions the hypocrits praying out loud in the synagogues? So the next time you're in church and you decide to get involved with the singing or put yourself in a trance like state and waving your arms everywhere and looking a bit like Joe Cocker ? Remember jesus words . You already have your reward ......................god doesnt' like a stage show.

Originally Posted by fuzzy butt

Hossy hossy hossy . i know athiests who have been brought up athiests who do exactly that as well . Upbringing yes, Religious? Are you saying that your parents would not have instilled these things in you had they not been religious?
I also know religious people that pertain they follow the gospels and are complete pricks ......................but they are sure to let you know they pray.

what does the Bible say about it? what did Jesus say about it?

Because it was said in Galilean, Jesus' example prayer. the lords prayer in it's original language.

Avvon d-bish-maiya, nith-qaddash shim-mukh.
Tih-teh mal-chootukh. Nih-weh çiw-yanukh:
ei-chana d'bish-maiya: ap b'ar-ah.
Haw lan lakh-ma d'soonqa-nan yoo-mana.
O'shwooq lan kho-bein:
ei-chana d'ap kh'nan shwiq-qan l'khaya-ween.
Oo'la te-ellan l'niss-yoona:
il-la paç-çan min beesha.
Mid-til de-di-lukh hai mal-choota
oo khai-la oo tush-bookh-ta
l'alam al-mein. Aa-meen.

But i'm getting off track here



You'll notice that the lords prayer is not a prayer in itself. the words are being taught as an example and not a written down verbatin prayer . Remember what jesus says about saying words over and over. It means nothing so just to recite the words of the example is not enough Remember jesus words. "for your Father knows what you need before you ask him."

So that's basically what the bible says about praying. Notice how he mentions the hypocrits praying out loud in the synagogues? So the next time you're in church and you decide to get involved with the singing or put yourself in a trance like state and waving your arms everywhere and looking a bit like Joe Cocker ? Remember jesus words . You already have your reward ......................god doesnt' like a stage show.

LOL!

Fuzzy Butt, I'm talking about bowing your head before a meal and saying a word of thankfulness and acknowledging the provision of God. Not haranguing to be seen for the sake of being seen.

Originally Posted by rjwould

AS long as you hold equal tolerance for others and their beliefs. Take gay people for instance. A gay man can make the same case as you do, to do all the same things because they are gay.

I'm sure you have no problem with gay pride and outward displays of such values? Or are you just right?

My father warned me about you, he said you'd try to attack me because of my beliefs. I say he called that one about perfect. I won't answer you.

[fuzzy butt]

RJ knock it off this time round okay? stick to the topic. please. for the sake of it's an interesting topic.
Hoss come on boy you're grown up now . You dad has certain people he doesn't want to know but you are a different person and can stand you're own ground and make your own decisions about a person.

so guys what do you say we keep on topic EH? this really is an interesting topic.

[fuzzy butt]

Originally Posted by Hoss

LOL!

Fuzzy Butt, I'm talking about bowing your head before a meal and saying a word of thankfulness and acknowledging the provision of God. Not haranguing to be seen for the sake of being seen.

I think grace can be said quietly and not made into a big deal when you're out in public. I was brought up strict Roman catholic but never ever did my dad insist on saying grace in public , only at home . I teach my boys to give thanks before a meal but in their own way and silently in their own heads. this way i'm teaching them that no matter where they are they can do this without drawing attention to themselves. Basically whether they give thanks or not is between themselves and god and no one else not even their mother. Those who do it in public are displaying themselves and drawing attention to themselves. As Jesus said they ahve their reward. i prefer my boys to have a sincere reward from god and not those looking on.

Originally Posted by fuzzy butt

I think grace can be said quietly and not made into a big deal when you're out in public. I was brought up strict Roman catholic but never ever did my dad insist on saying grace in public , only at home . I teach my boys to give thanks before a meal but in their own way and silently in their own heads. this way i'm teaching them that no matter where they are they can do this without drawing attention to themselves. Basically whether they give thanks or not is between themselves and god and no one else not even their mother. Those who do it in public are displaying themselves and drawing attention to themselves. As Jesus said they ahve their reward. i prefer my boys to have a sincere reward from god and not those looking on.

I agree fully. The statutes and ordinances I spoke of are inwardly held or there is no reward, I think even doing them for rewards is the wrong attitude, being compelled out of love to do them is just a natural offering for gratitude. I just think that those things become 'religious items' they are all done as an act of worship for the gratefulness of what God through Jesus has already done and then to all he promises.

[fuzzy butt]

eehhh yeah I'd agree with that (i have no idea what a statute or ordinance is in religion I only know it pertaining to law)

You did ask though "how far do we take it?" i'm not going to use Christmas in this instance because I seriously don't know where commercial and pagan and christian enterprise begins and ends with this.

BUT

How about when sieks an muslims flay themselves or do the call to prayer? does this upset people who have to listen to it or see it? and what about the catholic walk of the stations of the cross? does this offend people or draw unneccsary criticism towards those religions and their public displays?

i will put my hand up and say that if I lived in an area where I had to hear the call to prayer every day I would be going out to give every muslim a clock or a watch just to shut them up.

Originally Posted by fuzzy butt

eehhh yeah I'd agree with that (i have no idea what a statute or ordinance is in religion I only know it pertaining to law)

You did ask though "how far do we take it?" i'm not going to use Christmas in this instance because I seriously don't know where commercial and pagan and christian enterprise begins and ends with this.

BUT

How about when sieks an muslims flay themselves or do the call to prayer? does this upset people who have to listen to it or see it? and what about the catholic walk of the stations of the cross? does this offend people or draw unneccsary criticism towards those religions and their public displays?

i will put my hand up and say that if I lived in an area where I had to hear the call to prayer every day I would be going out to give every muslim a clock or a watch just to shut them up.

Is it the call to prayer specifically that would make you go bonkers or just the repetitive noise/ritual?