Religion Is Not Always Good

Originally Posted by Ted

I do note the "heat" I am getting on the Christian side of the forum. It shows all of the things that I've been reading in here. It further convinces me that I did in fact make the right decision. I left that milieu because I felt it was wrong and immoral. I firmly believe that approach is morally wrong. Think of the person who decides to "get saved" because he is afraid of going to hell. That is a rather selfish motive and certainly not a valid one in my view in view of the saying that "We love Him because He first loved us."

The second thing I really object to is the badgering of someone on their death bed to "repent and be saved" so that they can go to heaven. Once again the motivation is in error in view of "We love Him because He first loved us." Once again a selfish motive.

To add to all of that there is the fact of some 22 000 Christian denominations around the world as well as the myriad of small offshoots that think they and they alone have the correct way. There is a church in Victoria called the Church of Truth. This is blatant arrogance and in my view unacceptable. When I am told I am spreading poison water the author of that declaration is simply giving his/her own unfounded judgment. Actually the clergy I know had a good laugh at the arrogance. Of course the author is free to believe whatever but has absolutely no right God given or otherwise to pass judgment on anyone else except them self.

The reformers and those that followed have definitely created God in the image they want. They use human terms, human motivations; the idea of some great judgment at the end of time and hell fires is simply the desire to see some justice for the martyrs. It is an attempt get human judgment when we are clearly told that God does not think as we do. It is time to leave the personal judgments up to God if one so believes. Far too many folks are trying to tell God, if you so believe, how to run the show.

If the divine exists and I personally believe it does we are incapable of grasping the real concept. We lack the intelligence and the conceptualization ability.

At any rate to each his/her own.

Shalom
Ted

That boy called you right, he pegged you as a false teacher, a ravanous wolf, a liar and a spreader of lies.

You will be responsible for all you keep from God with your lies.

Originally Posted by Ted

Jester

I can concur with that one hundred percent. Whose view or whose concept?

Shalom
Ted

You did not quote anything, I have no idea what you are agreeing to.

[Ted]

Jester

There you go. Why am I not surprised. Personal attaks come in when folks have nothing else to say.

You still haven't answered my question.

Blessings
Ted

[Ted]

Jester

Think about it for awhile.

I had a grade 5 class who knew better than to use put down. That is a fact and not an attack.

You are giving me exactly what I left the fundamentalist church over. You may call it Christian if you want. Millions disagree.

Shalom
Ted

Originally Posted by Ted

Jester

There you go. Why am I not surprised. Personal attaks come in when folks have nothing else to say.

You still haven't answered my question.

Blessings
Ted

You dont seem to like my answers, and telling the truth isnt a personal attack. You've posted three posts on here attacking Hoss or Fundamentalism, why should you not be bale to accept a few attacks in return? Was it not you that said a strong attack deserves a strong rebuttel?

[Ted]

Jester

The difference is rather simple I have not attacked an individual by name calling or judging. What I have done is to attack an idea. There is a big difference. It just adds to what I've been saying about fundamentalism. Once again the fundamentalists have to resort to personal attacks. Others can judge for themselves.

You still haven't answered my question.

Blessings
Ted

Originally Posted by Ted

Jester

Think about it for awhile.

I had a grade 5 class who knew better than to use put down. That is a fact and not an attack.

You are giving me exactly what I left the fundamentalist church over. You may call it Christian if you want. Millions disagree.

Shalom
Ted

Think about what? Again your vague and quote nothing, what are you referring to?

A put down? Where? None of what I said was meant as a 'put down'. Actually you have never told us exactly why you left the so called 'fundamentalist church' or about the many other so called 'fundamentalist churches' that 'hurt you'. Care to enlighten us regarding the bitterness you harbor?

Originally Posted by Ted

Jester

The difference is rather simple I have not attacked an individual by name calling or judging. What I have done is to attack an idea. There is a big difference. It just adds to what I've been saying about fundamentalism. Once again the fundamentalists have to resort to personal attacks. Others can judge for themselves.

You still haven't answered my question.

Blessings
Ted

You still havn't asked me a question, just ask it again, it appears I have missed it.

I have not called you any names or put downs, show me where.

[K.Snyder]

Originally Posted by Jester

You need to look in the mirror bud, and then remember what you look like when you walk away!

I don't see why anyone discusses their religion is seen as trying to brainwash others...

People have the right to free speech in the same way you have the right to say how much you'd like everyone to be armed and readily brandishing a loaded firearm...

What's the difference?...

Seems a bit hypocritical to me...

[Ted]

Jester

It is rather simple. I left the fundamentalist fold because for me I decided that it was morally wrong.

When you have to resort to words like liar you are using a put down and making a personal attack. Nothing at all, has changed since I left that fold. In my view it is not what I know as the message of one Jesus of Nazareth. But, I am content to let God be the judge.

Shalom
Ted