God and Consciousness.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by OpenMind

"For God to be real, he then must be Conscious."

This statement intrigues me. What is your hypothesis for it?
In a later post you refer to Christians. Is it the Christian God that you are referring to?

No, there is no such thing as the Christian God, God is the Father of all, not just a particular group that lays claim to him. The statement " Christian God", is a misnomer, and misleading. The whole earth belongs to God, I am refering to the owner of reality.

The owner of Consciousness, the owner of the past, present and future. The owner of Life. If there is a God, and I certainly believe there is, then he must be conscious, because his creations are conscious. One begats the other, one comes from the other.

I Live, so there is a reason I live. I think, so there is a reason I think.

I think, so God must have thought first.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by spot

Once you impose restrictions you may well be eliminating the truth.

You're conscious, nobody doubts that.

If you enquire of a passive unknowing universe which is capable of many responses, and if you follow the response which you find meaningful, then you're defining God yourself. At the same time you're approaching him, clarifying and his refining his nature, engaging in dialog. That's still only one consciousness, your own. God emerges from your interaction with reality. Your path is undoubtedly going to be different to mine. What we find will be quite different Gods - some vengeful fundamentalist power-freaks, some broken powerless quiet voices, an entire pantheon. But if you try, sometimes you might find you get what you need.

Noteworthy points, some of which I agree with.

I really don't know how my search will end, because I don't know God. I am conscious of him, but there are many enpty spaces in my consciousness. Its not complette.

My view of God is already quite different than those that I run into.

And I do hope I get what I need, because I need a lot.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by Lon

I wish you well on getting into that. Along the way you may wish to contemplate why God chose to make creation in such a complicated fashion and over such a very very long period, and why he created single celled animals before man. It just seems the whole process could have been made much simpler, I mean, why dinosaurs over millions of years, and the variety, holy smokes. Of course there are some that think this whole complicated process began 6,000 years ago. Oh well. More to contemplate.

It is complicated, and I understand the questions, I have many myself.

I think you are right, God could have made it more simple, strange that he didnot.

I mean, very strange that he didnot. I wish I understood why not.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Gods Consciousness must be highly exceptional, which is why I believe in universal salvation for all, because such a Consciousness as God must hold, wouldnot accept less. Because he holds the power to accomplish it, and yet its hard to judge God even according to that. He holds the power to stop all war, but he does not. So at times, its hard to judge God, or determine what and why he does things, or does not do things.

Its almost as if God couldcareless what we think about how he does things. I don't think its because of arrogance, I think its because of his Consciousness, hes already aware of how things will turn out, so why should he worry about it?

Man, I wish I was like that.

Anyhow, I want to go into why God does things, and how that relates to his Consciousness.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

I don't see Consciousness as a result of the brain, Consciousness is not a learned behavior, its a constant. No matter how we train the brain, none of that trainning results in Consciousness. No two or three componants within the brain results in Consciousness. No knowledge results in Consciousness. Its just there.

And I think thats how God is, hes just there. Nothing developed him, no two or three componants resulted in him being alive, no knowledge resulted in there being a God. And I view God as being constant, relevant, steady and sure, we are just not sure of him, but he must be sure of himself. He said " I am what I am", almost as if he does not care to explain what he is. A statement of complette awareness, that may or maynot share his awareness.

That is something unusual about God, he does not seem to be inclinded to explain everything to humanity, and he knows our dire need to know. God has, for the most part that I can see, basically kept himself hidden from humanity. Its as if he has created human consciousness, and then imprisioned it, locked it up with limitations.

I do not view consciousness as comming from unconsciousness, as far as its orgin. As if it developed on its own, from absolute zero. Although many have made this incredible leap, I refuse to do such a thing in my belief, I must remain for real, or my mind will give place to fantasy.

I view God as the orgin of both human consciousness, and Spirit beings who hold Consciousness.

For a being like God to create Consciousness, that is literally impossible, in my mind. Such a great feat, surely God really is almighty, he has to be to create Life. And billions of forms of Life, and conscious beings.

I want to know this being.

But its not that easy.

And i want to touch on why.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Many people do not believe in God, yet consciousness surely should be questioned within their unbelief. Why does Consciousness exist at all?

There has got to be a God, a source of consciousness, thus a source of pure reason and powerful thought.

Why does consciousness attract the self so much? Its as if its this thing in your head, that tells you , you are. But Why?

If a God, then Why Consciousness?

If not a God, then still Why?

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

[OpenMind]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

No, there is no such thing as the Christian God, God is the Father of all, not just a particular group that lays claim to him. The statement " Christian God", is a misnomer, and misleading. The whole earth belongs to God, I am refering to the owner of reality.

The owner of Consciousness, the owner of the past, present and future. The owner of Life. If there is a God, and I certainly believe there is, then he must be conscious, because his creations are conscious. One begats the other, one comes from the other.

I Live, so there is a reason I live. I think, so there is a reason I think.

I think, so God must have thought first.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

What I see are presumptions but nothing that is logically sound. In Hinduism, the God of the Christians would simply be one of many and even then an intermediary between physical life and what the Hindus consider to be the ultimate state - Nirvana.
My awareness and consciousness is the product of my brain. As the many electrical impulses pass between the various nodes of the brain, an electromagnetic field is created. I could, from this, presume that the same occurs for all creatures with a brain. I could also presume that the universe as a whole has a consciousness because we were created out of its substance, we are a part of its substance, and through its substance, we are interconnected with the whole of it. I can only presume this, I cannot state it as a fact.
I could not presume that as human beings are conscious, God must also be conscious. This is a presumption also, that God exists at all.

[OpenMind]

My view of God is already quite different than those that I run into.

Would you care to expand on your view of God?

My view of God is one of a concept developed by humans to explain the inexplicable on the one hand, and to control the masses on the other.
On the other hand, I have perceived that there is an element of nature that is interactive with our thought processes and emotions. At the moment, I am seeking an explanation to this through particle physics. At this level, it is clear that there is very little to differentiate between my body, the air around me, and the ground I stand, on except for the density of the activities of the various particles. Some particles, however, do not remain within these 'particle clouds', but are transmitted outwards and are received inwards. The transmitted particles effect the fields of any particles encountered along its various trajectories.

[Mickiel]

[quote=OpenMind;1038093]Would you care to expand on your view of God?



I have two other post here that expand on my views of God, I suggest a review of them.

I am here, therefore I exist. I have a mind, a consciousness, therefore, in my view, something greater than I was here first, and was responsible for me being here. I will NEVER accept that something less than I, was responsible for me becomming greater than it. Just as many consider the concept of God as foolishness, I consider the belief that consciousness came from unconsciousness to be even more foolish.

The big bang theory holds no information that will yeild me answers. The tadpole theory is not for me. Physics and science are not designed to fulfill my quest for truth, they are utterly innsufficent to quench what beckons my search for truth. What bangs another mans bell, well thats just for them. Deep within my consciousness, I know that I was made. I was not grown from happenstance situational climactic events beyond anyones control. I believe God controls all things relevant to humanitys existence.

I do not insult my quest with meaningless tribble, nor do I insult anyoneslses quest by challanging their ways and means of understanding.

To each their own.

As for me, I search for God, I believe the real truth is there.

Somewhere in Gods mind, are the answers we seek. But hes not giving out those answers. And that is why the confusion. Men are trying to give the answers, and that is why the confusion exist within our consciousness.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

[OpenMind]

[quote=Mickiel;1038426]

Originally Posted by OpenMind

Would you care to expand on your view of God?



I have two other post here that expand on my views of God, I suggest a review of them.

I am here, therefore I exist. I have a mind, a consciousness, therefore, in my view, something greater than I was here first, and was responsible for me being here. I will NEVER accept that something less than I, was responsible for me becomming greater than it. Just as many consider the concept of God as foolishness, I consider the belief that consciousness came from unconsciousness to be even more foolish.

The big bang theory holds no information that will yeild me answers. The tadpole theory is not for me. Physics and science are not designed to fulfill my quest for truth, they are utterly innsufficent to quench what beckons my search for truth. What bangs another mans bell, well thats just for them. Deep within my consciousness, I know that I was made. I was not grown from happenstance situational climactic events beyond anyones control. I believe God controls all things relevant to humanitys existence.

I do not insult my quest with meaningless tribble, nor do I insult anyoneslses quest by challanging their ways and means of understanding.

To each their own.

As for me, I search for God, I believe the real truth is there.

Somewhere in Gods mind, are the answers we seek. But hes not giving out those answers. And that is why the confusion. Men are trying to give the answers, and that is why the confusion exist within our consciousness.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

it seems to me then that you can say what you wish and if it suits you, you will believe it. Surely, providing god exists, it is not what you believe, necessarily, but what god determines that is true. And who are you to say that the electromagnetic field is unconscious? Can you actually sense your neighbour's consciousness? If not, then aside from making the obvious assumption that since your neighbour is the same as yourself and therefore must have a consciousness, you cannot determine where any consciousness lies or in what.
Still, since you seem to find my posts inflammatory, I will no longer post on your threads.

Peace.