God and Consciousness Discussion Thread

[spot]

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I apologize for interfering but I've split the original thread God and Consciousness at the point where a fight broke out. I could have deleted the fight, I could have composted the thread, I decided to split the thread and allow each strand the potential to develop.

I apologize also for making a moderating decision in a thread I was posting in, it's rather bad form.

Originally Posted by Mickiel

Life is not an illusion, its real, only a fool would deny this. What I want to do in this study, is to look at God and Consciousness. How they relate, what it means, how we have both understood and misunderstood consciousness, and how that has affected our view of God and the bible.

Peace.

FFs don't call me an fool, you don't know anything.. do some research before you make such ignorant remarks..

you're a ****ing idiot.. I wanted to support you and you call me a fool..

learn your physics before opening your stupid mouth....

Life is an illusion.. read some books... or research Boer, Talbot schrodinger, einstein, Talbot etc etc and get a brain,,

just started research and you call someone who's study this for years a fool

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by Ian

FFs don't call me an fool, you don't know anything.. do some research before you make such ignorant remarks..

you're a ****ing idiot.. I wanted to support you and you call me a fool..

learn your physics before opening your stupid mouth....

Life is an illusion.. read some books... or research Boer, Talbot schrodinger, einstein, Talbot etc etc and get a brain,,

just started research and you call someone who's study this for years a fool

Listen, I don't need your support, and I didnot call you a fool, I don't even know you. I didnot address you, and have no further plans to address you.

By this display of temperment, I don't want to know you. I am very sorry that you display such explosiveness, and I willnot address you again.

I have no time for foolishness.

Peace.

Originally Posted by Mickiel

I have no time for foolishness.

Peace.

neither have I you said that those who think reality is an illusion are fools, when all the major scientist disagree with you..

do you know about none locality?????????????????

so everyone else is a fool and not you

you are ignorant.....

[spot]

Ian, do you not think it might be more polite to allow people the space to explore their views without explosive bad temper like this being thrown their way? All anyone can do is to attempt to construct a coherent word painting. If you don't find it coherent then by all means explain why with factual support, preferably uncontroversial factual support. The one who makes most noise is usually the one messing the thread up.

You're stuck on a definition of "real", that's all - you're ignoring the issue of viewpoint. From inside you see one thing, from outside you see another, you're not looking at the same thing but you're giving it the same label. Obviously life's real from some point of view. Obviously reality is different from what you see if you look from another point of view. If there's one thing we've learned it's that there's lots of places to look from. If you describe a system from within the illusion as real then that's a perfectly valid use of the word "real". Why do you insist that, because other perspectives allow interpretations in which that "real" is only a fragment of the new picture, only the fuller picture can be discussed meaningfully? Every perspective has meaning. A flat image in the National Gallery isn't the real Madonna and Child but it's worth going to see, there are ways in which it can be called real.

Originally Posted by spot

Ian, do you not think it might be more polite to allow people the space to explore their views without explosive bad temper like this being thrown their way? All anyone can do is to attempt to construct a coherent word painting. If you don't find it coherent then by all means explain why with factual support, preferably uncontroversial factual support. The one who makes most noise is usually the one messing the thread up.

Yes I should, but he made the statement "Life is not an illusion, its real, only a fool would deny this" I find that offensive and ignorant and rude..

give me evidence for this statement.. how can one have a logical conclusion when you've decided you know everything from the get go?

If you want to mock other peoples belief systems then expect to be mocked back..

I found the post admarable untill his radiculas statement..

but now I'm walking away, gently fading into the background... PEACE

[spot]

The only dispute you have with his statement is the meaning of the words illusion and reality. From where you stand you have only one use for the words and other definitions are false and meaningless. Try to accept that from other places they have different uses and that discussion from those other places can be interesting to other people if not to you.

[Daniyal]

Originally Posted by spot

Moderator note:

I apologize for interfering but I've split the original thread God and Consciousness at the point where a fight broke out. I could have deleted the fight, I could have composted the thread, I decided to split the thread and allow each strand the potential to develop.

I apologize also for making a moderating decision in a thread I was posting in, it's rather bad form.

Before I Can Answer This I Have To Know Which Eloheem Your Speaking Of .