I am the Bread of Life. A real look at Jesus.

[fuzzy butt]

thought I'd already said .............no worries mate you just go and have this little conversation on your own then .

cheers

[guppy]

Originally Posted by fuzzy butt

I believe in Jesus and his purpose .
I believe that he was the original High Angel Michael
" " that it is insulting to hang a cross around your neck to commemerate him .
I believe toward the end of time he will seperate the the sheep from the goats.
Not everyone is saved not even those who profess to do his work or just "believe he exists".
I believe his birth is not important, but his teachings and prophecy and his promise to those loving him and his father.

i believe what the bible says of him and his teachings.
I believe mixing pagan practice with his teachings is insulting to him, Christmas etc.

His death is a time of reflection not celebration.

thats interesting about the cross thing meg..i wear a cross around my neck almost all the time on a leather cord..but for me, it reminds me to go forward in "faith"..but faith to me means to go forward believing in the good..believing that all things will work out even though i have no concrete proof of it..except to believe it..

on different days i wear a angel charm that has a heart on the backside of it..there are days this speaks to me..reminds me that although i know there are forces greater than mere human beings at work here on earth..the basic of all and the most powerful is "love" and somehow its fitting to me that the heart is on the backside ..not seen.

i know alot of people do not celebrate birthdays..but to me..how can you not acknowlege a birthday of someone you care about?..after all..that is the day that you were blessed with this soul on this earth..it is the day that this person was set upon this earth for you to know. at least that is how i feel about it.

[Mickiel]

Jesus is the " Bread of Life", or the essential essence needed to survive. He is the main ingredient, the bridge, the conduit in Life, and the Father made him so. He is our foundation, our crossroad, our blood. Very simply, we just need him if we are to Live. So Jesus cannot be picky, he cannot be partial, he cannot be predjudice, he cannot show favortism toward a particular group of humans. He must Love us all the same, our sin demands that he forgives us all. And really, thats how Jesus really is, he is a forgiver.

When asked how often we should forgive each other, he said 70 times 7, or as often as needed. He forgave the theif next to him on the cross. He forgave the woman caught in adultry, he forgave EVERY single person he ran into, believer or unbeliever.

He has NOT changed, he will never change, he still forgives.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

God sent Jesus here to earth for a specfic purpose and goal, that is to save everyone. All of humanity, not just high minded believers, but even those who hate God. This is the real mission of Christ, knowing Jesus is knowing his mission.

1John 4:14;" And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to " Be the Savior of the World." Thats it in a nutshell. Thats the simple gospel truth that people reject and cannot believe or understand. That Jesus was sent to save us all and he is not going to fail.

God didNOT send Jesus on an impossible task, its just that somewhere down along human history, even the believers in God no longer believe in the mission of Christ. Human lack of belief has segregated the truth about salvation, and limited the Atonement message of God.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Jesus came into this world to take away the self imposed monopoly that many of the believers of this world had imposed. Believers in God were ruling the topic of Salvation and being given status by the world as being represenitives of God. They had a little truth, but were really self motivated. Jesus said that he would cause those to become blind, and that he would reveal the truth to those who are blind. Making the first last, and the last first.

Notice his prophecy concerning these future believers in God that he would blind; John 9:39;" For judgement I came into this world, that those who do not see may see, and those who see may become blind. Those who see, or those who know some truth AND know God somewhat, those will be stopped in their tracks of belief and they willnot be allowed to progress any further, they will be blind to any more truth.

Then those who know nothing about God, unbelievers and without any Spiritual awareness, these will be given sight, or given Gods Spirit. This is the destiny of unbelievers, to become believers and have their eyes opened. This IS why Jesus came to earth.

To save that which was lost, not to deal with righteous believers, but to bring unbelievers to repentance. And to deal with them.

Peace.

[Nomad]

Originally Posted by Mickiel

Again Jesus in John 14:6;" I am the Way, the Truth and the Life." Interesting dialog of complette Power personified. Jesus is the Way, or the direction and path of all things intended. He is the real truth, and he is actually the Life of all things created.

These are some serious combinations, some awe inspiring responsibilitys. The Father God has invested some serious weight on Jesus.

Lets examine all three of these. Jesus IS the LIFE! In John 17:2;" Even as thou gave me authority over all mankind, that to everyone you gave me, I can give Eternal Life. Jesus is actually the one who will give eternal Life to humanity. He has responsibility over all of humanity.

Look man, thats a heavy burden. Were talking extreme responsibility. God must think an awful lot of Jesus. And listen, no BEING ALIVE could be responsible for such a tremendous burden, that is NOT all powerful himself! Jesus Power and responsibility is vastly underated and misunderstood. Jesus IS Life, he is the Bread of Life, or the source of it. He is the actual bloodline of human flesh, and the actual sdource of all humans, born again into eternal Life.

Again Jesus in John 15:1;" I am the true Vine, and my Father is the Vine dresser." Jesus is the connection to Life. And God made him so. This is one of the reasons Jesus was a man of sorrows, he brooded a lot. Theres a lot of pressure on him, a lot of intense things in reality are his direct responsibility. Thats a lot to have on your mind man.

Its no telling the things that Jesus meditates on, thinks about. God has made him to be the " Conduit of Life itself!"

He is the Vine, or the source.

Look at John 17:10 very closely. ALL THINGS that are yours, are Mine! And Mine are yours. This is what Jesus said about the Father. Do you realize the vastness of this? Everything that belongs to the Father, belongs to Christ. ALL things. Including Gods throne, the 24 elders, all angels, and the Holy Spirit! ALL these things belongs to Jesus, they are his to command.

And I want to get into this more.

Peace.

Do you ever question these ideas ?
I understand about faith and Im not knocking it but I cant shake the feeling that after 2000 years it might be worth questioning some of it.
Jesus lived and Jesus died but in these times of turmoil wouldnt it be great if he could pop in once in awhile and say "hey guys...Im still here Ive been busy but I havent forgotten about you"
Just seems like a pretty long stretch of time is all.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Do you ever question these ideas ?
I understand about faith and Im not knocking it but I cant shake the feeling that after 2000 years it might be worth questioning some of it.
Jesus lived and Jesus died but in these times of turmoil wouldnt it be great if he could pop in once in awhile and say "hey guys...Im still here Ive been busy but I havent forgotten about you"
Just seems like a pretty long stretch of time is all.

Well I agree, it has been a long time and he has not " Popped in to say something." I mean, if I had it my way, he would have popped in, but I don't have anything to do with what God and Jesus does. Sadly, neither does anyother human. So they do things according to how they think it should be done. Far be it from me to tell them it could be done better. But I understand the thought that they have held themselves back king of long, and I agree with that.

As far as questioning these Ideas, no, I don't question them, I question the alternitives to the questions. I question the alternitive of there not being a God, or a Christ. I seriously question that. Because if there is no God, then we came from absolute nothing, and will return to absolute nothing.

I question that.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Originally Posted by Nomad

Do you ever question these ideas ?
I understand about faith and Im not knocking it but I cant shake the feeling that after 2000 years it might be worth questioning some of it..

And I believe we should question anything about the bible and God that we want to. I question all things that I question, not only the bible or God, but anything in my mind and life. God is not " Unquestionable", and he certainly understands that we have questions. I look forward to asking him many myself, hes not talking to me now, but I hope one day that he will.

You don't need to ask a Christian about God, you don't need to ask an Athiest about God, just ask God himself, if he does not answer, then its his fault, not men. It falls to God to answer humans questions. I just don't think he is answering things now. What few people who know a little about God, even they are not responsible for answering questions that only God can. Such believers just think too much of themselves when they try to answer things that have no human answer.

In Mark 4:27, a seed is planted and grows overnight, how this is possible, the person just does not know. What this means is that we just willnot know everything, and the hows and whys. Espically concerning God. God has kept silent for a long time, Isaiah 1:15, 42:14. And he hides himself, Isaiah 45:15, 54:7.

Right now its just what he is doing, and nothing can change that. He cannot be rushed, we cannot manipulate him, we cannot force his hand on things he does or is doing. Hes just not worried about our impatience.

And hes got Good Reason not to worry.

He has all Power. When you got that, you can afford to take your time.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

If you take a real look at Jesus, you will see that he holds the power to subject all things to himself. Phil. 3:21;" Who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of his glory, by the exertion of the power that he has even to subject all things to himself." People wonder what God is going to do with unbelievers, they have been duped into believing that he is going to place them into some everlasting hell torture. Here God has a most powerful son who has the power to subject all things to him. This means he can transform ALL unbelievers , into believers, and cause them to be in his family. With this power, no one has to be doomed.

THIS IS the real Jesus, which even believers misunderstand. The abomination of some believers is that they think God has no power to help sinners who reject him, they are willing to believe that many humans willnot " Make it."

They do NOT understand the real Jesus.

Peace.

[Mickiel]

Here again is the real Jesus; John 4:34;" My food is to do the will of him who sent me, and to accomplish his work." This is Jesus thing, to get done what his Father sent him to do. What is that? 1John 4:14;" And we have beheld and bear witness that the Father has sent the Son to be the Savior of the WORLD!" Not the savior of christian believers, not the savior of certain groups, not the savior of a few churchs, the savior of THE WORLD! Gods will is to save the whole world, and christians just don't get that truthful message. Somethingelse has been messaged into their minds, they limit Jesus mission.

The REAL Jesus came to seek and save that which is lost. The WHOLE world is Lost!

The whole world needs to be saved, and if you think Jesus cannot save the whole world, then you just do not know the real Jesus.

Peace.

Hes going to get you your salvation.