What did God do to the fallen ones?

Did he imprison them, I need to be enlightened in this matter..
can you help? will they return for five months? what does God say?

[Kindle]

Originally Posted by Themis

Did he imprison them, I need to be enlightened in this matter..
can you help? will they return for five months? what does God say?

Please reference what you read (location) that generates this question? I'm assuming this is from the book of Revelation.

Originally Posted by Kindle

Please reference what you read (location) that generates this question? I'm assuming this is from the book of Revelation.

And there, all in their order, are the sources and ends of gloomy earth and misty Tartarus and the unfruitful sea and starry heaven, loathsome and dank, which even the gods abhor.
It is a great gulf, and if once a man were within the gates. . . . There stands the awful home of murky Night wrapped in dark clouds. In front of it the son of Iapetus stands immovably upholding the wide heaven upon his head and unwearying hands, where Night and Day draw near and greet one another as they pass the great threshold of bronze. . . . And there the children of dark Night have their dwellings, Sleep and Death, awful gods. The glowing Sun never looks upon them with his beams, neither as he goes up into heaven, nor as he comes down from heaven. . . . (Lines 736-744)Hesiod's Theogony.

"star" (an angel) fell from Heaven "and to him was given the key of the Bottomless Pit.9 And he opened the Bottomless Pit, and there arose a smoke out of the Pit, as the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the Pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth, and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree, but only those men who have not the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months, and their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it, and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them" (Rev. 9:1-6).

"And he opened the bottomless pit. . . . And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth. . . . and the shapes of the locusts [were] like unto horses prepared unto battle; and . . . their faces [were] as the faces of men. And they had hair of women, and their teeth were as of lions . . ." (Rev.9.1-8)

[Ted]

Unfortunately folks read Re Revelation as if it were some great prediction of the end of the world..

Revelation was and remains a stinging attack on the world of John's (whomever he was) day. Crossan, Borg, Fox, Phillips and others.

In the past the prophets were not speaking of some distant time in the future but were speaking to the people of their own time, calling them back God.

Shalom
Ted

Originally Posted by Ted

Unfortunately folks read Re Revelation as if it were some great prediction of the end of the world..

Revelation was and remains a stinging attack on the world of John's (whomever he was) day. Crossan, Borg, Fox, Phillips and others.

In the past the prophets were not speaking of some distant time in the future but were speaking to the people of their own time, calling them back God.

Shalom
Ted

So you think revelation is not talking about the future?
I would like to know more..

Are you aware that some influential people do believe this to be so?
there seems to be a script for our future either in the divine or self fulfilled.

[Ted]

Themis

Scholars today have come to the conclusion that Revelation was a stinging attack on the Roman Empire and nothing more. If it had to do with the future it was the immediate future. It is what is referred to as apocalyptic literature which as an attempt to predict the immediate future.

That prophesy does not deal with the distant future has been well shown in "Understanding the Old Testament". The prophets were not speaking of some day in the distant future but of their own time.

This position is held by a number of world renowned biblical scholars such as: Marcus Borg, Dom. Crossan, John Spong, and others as well as pointed out in several Bible commentaries.

There is even a good site on the dozens of predictions down through the years, of the "Day of the Lord".

220 Dates for the End of the world!!! Date Setters!

Perhaps this will help.

Shalom
Ted

Originally Posted by Ted

Themis

Scholars today have come to the conclusion that Revelation was a stinging attack on the Roman Empire and nothing more. If it had to do with the future it was the immediate future. It is what is referred to as apocalyptic literature which as an attempt to predict the immediate future.

That prophesy does not deal with the distant future has been well shown in "Understanding the Old Testament". The prophets were not speaking of some day in the distant future but of their own time.

This position is held by a number of world renowned biblical scholars such as: Marcus Borg, Dom. Crossan, John Spong, and others as well as pointed out in several Bible commentaries.

There is even a good site on the dozens of predictions down through the years, of the "Day of the Lord".

220 Dates for the End of the world!!! Date Setters!

Perhaps this will help.

Shalom
Ted

Yes but you're not dealing with those "Scholars" who do... do those who you speak of have power in the American politics?

those who buy Presidents? those who control all the American media? those who rule Israel?

make me understand.. before you is a man broken who feels the pain.. I cant take no more, where is your GOD?

Why can the world keep there eyes closed?

[Ted]

Themis

I am not the least bit interested in those who wield political or economic power.

Where is God? H/She is watching and weeping at what man has done to creation. There will be no great cosmic cleanup. The Divine is waiting for the human race to smarten up. Of course, even here, "watching and weeping" are metaphors because God is not an entity as we think: no hands, no feet etc.

We cannot have it both ways. Either we wish to be completely free or we wish to have God controlling everything. Man was given freedom. He can't then turn around when the going gets tough and bail us out. We've messed up and now it is up to us to straighten up.

Shalom
Ted

Originally Posted by Ted

Themis

I am not the least bit interested in those who wield political or economic power.

Where is God? H/She is watching and weeping at what man has done to creation. There will be no great cosmic cleanup. The Divine is waiting for the human race to smarten up. Of course, even here, "watching and weeping" are metaphors because God is not an entity as we think: no hands, no feet etc.

We cannot have it both ways. Either we wish to be completely free or we wish to have God controlling everything. Man was given freedom. He can't then turn around when the going gets tough and bail us out. We've messed up and now it is up to us to straighten up.

Shalom
Ted

There are those greater than us above, not one God but many in the context of more knowing, even on this Earth we see remnants in Architecture, Art, and scripture, we see the movements of the Zodiacs then make them tales, we see the wobble of the Earth and make that history, now we see the Revelation.

Those who wish for the second coming.